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Lincoln is offline Lincoln
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What the peaceniks are "fighting" for

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No joke.

DAVID! Drag your tired ass in here and read.

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Nice troll, glad to see you back.

Most people know Saddam's a murdering asswipe - I don't think there's much doubt about it. The Reagan and first Bush administrations certainly had no qualms about his nature when he was our boy and received billions in aid from us.

Dear Leader Kim is a murdering asswipe too, so is Mugabe, and I'm sure we can find plenty of others. Does that mean we invade them all next?

Different "peaceniks" have different reasons for opposing the war, but mine is two-fold:

One, I don't think he's a high enough priority to tie up virtually the entire uncommitted ground combat capability of the US for the duration of the war, and a large portion of that capability indefinitely thereafter for occupation duties.

Second, I don't think we have the collective brains, in terms of knowing the geopolitics, understanding the different agendas and factions and competing interests, to set up a functional government that won't either be acutely threatened by, or be an acute threat to, our new-found neighbors, some of which are alleged "allies."

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No, Saddam is not the worst bully on the block but why not take him out while the troops are there? It certainly would be foolish at this point to ship everyone over to N. Korea or wherever. Take him out and let whining "old" Europe help in the reconstruction.

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Wars of liberation are justifiable.

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What you neglect to not is that Bush has tabled Ford's ban on assassination during war.
I think you've got the runs for nothing, but you're certainly entitled to that opinion.
We don't live in Iraq, after all.

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still doesnt say why Iraq and not North Korea, Zimbabwe, Libya, somalia, etc

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What the peaceniks are "fighting" for


The idiocy is such that it is assumed the Kurds and the Iraqis will get better treatment after Hussein is toppled.

Fat chance. Want to buy a bridge cheap?

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The reason why Iraq now, is because that is where the troops are now. Whether or not Bush is a wise man in putting them there, the fact remains that they can quickly do the job and then everyone can ***** about what he does next.

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There is little doubt Saddam is a complete nutcase... unfortunately these people are always blessed with an uncanny lifespan.

But he is no idiot, he's not going to do something stupid with the whole world watching him. The cost of an invasion and continued military presence, both in terms of money and people, is not worth the risk of just leaving Saddam in power. He will do as much to stay in power as possible, even if it means doing whats best for his people

I'm sure he has weapons of mass destruction and will do anything for a nuke. But as long as the inspectors are in the country I'm not worried. I've never liked siding with the French, but we need to give the inspectors more time. Yes, Saddam has violated dozens of UN resolutions... then again the US's record isn't stellar either.

With the capture of the #3 Al Qaeda guy last week, my confidence in this "War On Terror" is renewed. They are still a far bigger threat to world peace than Iraq, so is North Korea. With all the domestic problems in the US right now, we do not need to furthar alienate our allies on this relatively trivial manner. Show me the chem/bio weapons! Then we can go to war.

War might be the only option, but I for one want to be sure before innocent people start dying.

No one wants to see more American lives lost in another Gulf of Tonkin.

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The idiocy is such that it is assumed the Kurds and the Iraqis will get better treatment after Hussein is toppled.


Of course the Kurds and other Iraqis will be treated better after Hussein is gone. They're being liberated by Americans, not petty thugs like the Chinese...

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"Want to buy a bridge cheap?"

Not from you. It would probably be leaning way too far left.

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Because we can Lawrence... He's a pain in the ass and we can. As an added bonus it just might make the hard line Iranian theocrates and the delusional Communists in northern Korea sweet a litttle is just an added bonus.

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Iraq got in line first.
First come, first served.

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The reason why Iraq now, is because that is where the troops are now. Whether or not Bush is a wise man in putting them there, the fact remains that they can quickly do the job and then everyone can ***** about what he does next.


which goes back to the question of why there are so many troops there.

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The idiocy is such that it is assumed the Kurds and the Iraqis will get better treatment after Hussein is toppled.


Of course the Kurds and other Iraqis will be treated better after Hussein is gone. They're being liberated by Americans, not petty thugs like the Chinese...


Of course the US is not a petty thug, it is the biggest one there is.

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"Want to buy a bridge cheap?"

Not from you. It would probably be leaning way too far left.


Thank you for substantiating my point.

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Well off to bed. Yes, I have a real job now so I can't stick around for all the logical reasons why Bush is more evil than Saddam. Maybe I can catch up on this tomorrow... Night all...

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You bet, Lincoln.
It will be like the commercial.
Bush will peel off his mask, and it's Michael Jackson underneath.

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Ah Lincoln, you used to be such a respectable Righty Christian. What happened to you? :sigh:

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You didn't read his referenced site, did you ?

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Of course the US is not a petty thug, it is the biggest one there is.

I prefer to think of us as a real life version of Dr. Doom rather than some petty thug comparable to peon countries like Russia and the PRC.

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yes, I did.

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No really, Saddam is a great guy. We used to take Organic chemistry together. My lab partner used to always go to him for help. At the end of the semester we invited him over and drank cheap quality beer as we watched Late Night HBO porn.

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Cheap quality?

But then, I don't suppose you were paying too much attention to the beer...

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Linc- I pray that you will one day soon accept Jesus' teachings of peace and love toward your neighbor. I am sorry if somehow you have had bad experiences with peace-minded people in the past. But you must inevitably learn to one day learn to love the so-called peaceniks and the Iraqi people as as you do your friends. I hope you learn to overcome your hatred for liberals or peaceniks and realize that we are all in the same boat.

God bless.

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How does ignoring Saddam Hussein's atrocities translate into loving the Iraqi people?

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how does ignoring our own atrocities translate to war with Iraq?

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how does ignoring our own atrocities translate to war with Iraq?


You're not even making logical rebuttals anymore, Orange. Get some help, man! I'm worried...

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I defy you to show me one, just one, example of a U.S. leader doing to his people, what Hussein has done to his.

Tell me when, the U.S. has done to another country, what Hussein has done to his own.

Cite me an example, where the U.S. has ever been the aggressor.

 
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