06-03-2003 16:49									#1
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If I was catholic I would want to be thrown out too.

You wonder if they have even read the bible.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/2824241.stm

	06-03-2003 16:52									#2
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stinger, enlighten us on why a 9 year old should be a mother...

and this just goes to show catholicism is outdated and built solely on doctrine and structure, not christianity

	06-03-2003 16:56									#3
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organized religion

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quote: Originally posted by MRT144 stinger, enlighten us on why a 9 year old should be a mother... and this just goes to show catholicism is outdated and built solely on doctrine and structure, not christianity

Um I'm disagreeing with the church in excommunicating the parents for arranging the abortion.

I think they were correct in doing this.


If i could put a roll eyes on the thread title I would, but I thought it would be obvious that I am criticising the boys in rome

	06-03-2003 16:58									#5
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sarcasm can only be detected by the rolleyes

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Religion does the strangest things to people

	06-03-2003 16:59									#7
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catholics are evil.

on the other hand, having an abortion in the 4th month is... well, this is just a tragedy for everyone involved

anyway, nine years old and pregnant?? - what the **** did they feed her?

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quote: Originally posted by Gangerolf catholics are evil. on the other hand, having an abortion in the 4th month is... well, this is just a tragedy for everyone involved anyway, nine years old and pregnant?? - what the **** did they feed her?

It's the holy water!

	06-03-2003 17:20									#9
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It's not the holy sperm for sure

	06-03-2003 17:30									#10
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It could have been, the rapist wasn't excommunicated.

	06-03-2003 17:31									#11
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skanky, god forbid the catholic church do anything about rapists and molesters catholicism must change or die.

	06-03-2003 17:32									#12
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I know which I am hoping for.

	06-03-2003 17:33									#13
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me too

	06-03-2003 20:20									#14
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quote: It could have been, the rapist wasn't excommunicated.

For there's a difference between a rape and a murder,
and that child killed her child. OK, I understand your point. But understand the catholic one as well.
I think that the decision was wrong. They just shouldn't have touched that. But the truth is that this baby was killed.
You are intolerant not tolerating our lack of tolerance to that as well.
On the other hand, they do not excommunicate all that have killed anyone, do they...

Actual Vatican approach to abortion is as naive as pacifists' approach to war.

	06-03-2003 20:32									#15
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quote: Originally posted by Heresson You are intolerant not tolerating our lack of tolerance to that as well.

I don't really have anything to add. I just liked this sentence.

	06-03-2003 20:33									#16
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Catholicism is obsolete.

	06-03-2003 20:43									#17
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@ Loin.

-Arrian

	06-03-2003 20:49									#18
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Heresson she was 9, barely developed to cope with childbirth the chance was very high that if she had the baby she would die.

You think she should die because she was raped?

	06-03-2003 20:51									#19
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Even if you are anti-abortion its hardly the case you want to use to rally your cause

	06-03-2003 20:54									#20
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Most for life people will agree that abortion is justified when the "mother's" (a nine year old? ) life is in danger. I cannot undesratand why anyone would want a nine year to carry a baby to term. The fetus would most likely be born badly undeveloped, and the child would probably die. Isn't the rape trauma enough?

	06-03-2003 21:15									#21
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Why did they wait until the fourth month anyway?

quote: Even if you are anti-abortion its hardly the case you want to use to rally your cause

Especially in light of the fact that the pregnancy put the mother's life at risk.

One hopes the pontiff is able to reverse the girl's excommunication.

	06-03-2003 21:16									#22
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I'm strongly anti-abort but I accept abort under certain circumstances, such as rape, undeveloped/carrying a horrible and painful disease featus, risk of death for the mother and underage pregnant mothers. All those "liberal" activists seeking the "woman's choice" according to which a woman should be free to abort even at the 8th month of age and alike.. screw them, a featus isn't just some kind of multicellular blob, killing him would be the same as drowning a newborn baby- if you don't want a baby give him a chance to be adopted, damn! Who are you to decide to kill someone?

	06-03-2003 21:19									#23
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quote: All those "liberal" activists seeking the "woman's choice" according to which a woman should be free to abort even at the 8th month of age and alike.

Never seen anyone seeking that and no doctor would do it anyway.

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I find it interesting that the Church developed the doctrine of a "just war" that authorizes mass murder, but cannot come to authorize a doctrine of "just homicide" in cases like this.

Of course every life is precious. But often, saving one life means destoying another. This is why some wars are just and why some abortions are just.

	06-03-2003 21:35									#25
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc Why did they wait until the fourth month anyway?

Presumably, with her age, and the level of poverty/access to medical care, it took a while to realize she was pregnant. Assuming she'd even menstruated previously, it's highly unlikely that with that early an onset of puberty that there was any regularity to it.

Plus there's the delay from whatever administrative procedure they had to go through to get the abortion in the first place - since it's normally illegal in Nicaragua and they had to petition for it.

	06-03-2003 21:48									#26
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This is easily one of the most offensive threads I've seen on this board, and not because of the church’s action described in the linked article (an action I disagree with BTW), but because of what a number of you have had to say, with your sweeping generalizations ("Catholics are evil", "Catholicism is obsolete"), crude mocking attempts at humor ("holy sperm"), and other anti-Catholic and anti-religious remarks.

A number of you feel quite justified in expressing you biases and prejudice against members of a particular religion in a way you would never do if this was a discussion of race or ethnicity.

You want to argue that the church’s decision was wrong, be my guest, but leave the anti-Catholic and anti-religion slurs out of it, OK?

	06-03-2003 21:53									#27
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I've hardly been a big fan of my Church recently, but if the case was the abortion was not medically nessecary, it is absolutely correct. Abortion is murder and is punished by the Church with excommunication. Don't like, find another church.

	06-03-2003 21:54									#29
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25,000 people in Spain are doing that, apparently.

Good for them.

-Arrian

	06-03-2003 23:13									#30
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quote: A number of you feel quite justified in expressing you biases and prejudice against members of a particular religion in a way you would never do if this was a discussion of race or ethnicity.

Race and ethnicity are:

A. Outside people's control.

B. Irrelevant.

These don't apply to religion, which is more like politics: a chosen stance which affects opinions.

A person who chooses a religion, or a political philosophy, should be prepared to defend it. Nobody has to "defend" the color of their skin.

Except Michael Jackson.