15-01-2005 00:20									#301
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quote: Originally posted by Wittlich Where have I heard that one before?!?

Thats the best one I've heard in a long time.

@Beta, I think I at least need a primer on the politics "over there".

I thought GoW and GS were allied? Are they not?

And whts this about resettling RP? What the hell for? Dont they just want them dead?

And what for petes sake does ND have to do with anything if they weren't involved in the war? WTF?

I *thought* I knew what was going on but now Im about as lost as a Canadian in Miami Beach.

Thanks

~con~

PS It will be fun dealing with H_E, but I aint gonna trust him any farther than I can throw him, and you know why too

	15-01-2005 02:44									#302
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From MZ. Looks pretty similar to the GS offer with regard to tech. I guess we'll have to figure out who we want to deal with but I'll leave negotiating up to Beta.

quote: Greeting fellow Voxians Haven't heard from you guys in a while (doubless my well deserved punishment for forgetting to reply to you guys during the last 500 years or so) but now that the war is for all intents over there are two issues I want to bring up. First of all I have been discussing the possibility to allow you guys a bite of the juicy Lego pie. Off the bat we will likely agree to give you the "isthmus" and the "hammer". Furthermore each side is free to assign territory from their half to another team so perhaps we can satisfy further claims in Lego territory. Secondly, we mentioned that we would be more than willing to substitute Lego as Vox's prime tech benefactor/trader. Off the bat we are interested in trading for your free tech... whatever that may be. We have offered you Radio this turn in exchange for your free tech we'll trade the next modern tech that we finish. If you agree to this, just click "accept" (and no, it won't self destruct in 5 seconds) Thirdly, um, there is no third issue, though I belive Hot_Enamel is also discussing "other things" with you guys too -MZ 1337 w4rm0n63r

	15-01-2005 06:59									#303
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Got it.

	15-01-2005 10:09									#304
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I still say "trust no one" as far as I'm concerned, they are all a pack of henias....they have absolutley destoyed our closest friend.....how much do you REALLY think that we can trust them?!?

I say SHIELDS UP!!!! and build to protect.

	16-01-2005 20:51									#305
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To MZ and Hot_Enamel...

quote: Hello folks. Thanks for your recent messages. I am officially getting back to you now. We had many offers for radio, and we have decided to accept yours. There is clearly many things to discuss, but we can get the tech trading started. I am sending fission accepted. You can appreciate the disparity in the two techs, so if you could throw in 20 turns of a luxury, it would be greatly appreciated. Our plans were to do rocketry or computers next - but we do not research at a quick rate. We may be better off cost-sharing part of your research. Let us know. As to land, we would obviously like more. That goes without saying. And we are clearly not in any position to demand any. However, if strengthening Vox, a third-rate power, works into your plans, that would be fine by us. The optimal outcome would be a sufficient size core to put down an FP.But that might wourk best where GS has set down a small number of cities on the west coast. The east coast would work as well, and having the two Vox cores split may give you and GS the security you feel you need, The other option is to give us the three northen points, comprising from what I can see, 4 destroyed lego cities, and then we would also put down a fifth further down the straight from Panana Vox/Invoice. This is clearly something that needs to be worked out with Gs as well, and may be influenced by their plans for RP. As to Lego - at this point we have not heard from them as to what their plans are. If they ask for a Voxian city, we would feel morally obligated to help them out - given our history. Do you see this causing problems for you or GS. To be honest, I am not sure that is what they want though. I think they pretty much consider their game finished. So, we probably have a lot of chatting to do. Looking forward to hearing from you. Cheers ...Beta.

	22-01-2005 22:45									#306
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Rec'd from MZ via PM today...

quote: Hello Beta First of all, thank for Fission, we have sent you Dyes this turn which apparently is the only lux that you lack that we have. Should you be in need of any other resource we will gladly comply. GoW is currently starting Rocketry. If Vox wishes it can cooperate with us sending us whatever spare gold per turn you can muster and we can share the tech once we get it which should be around 7-8 turns with your help. Regarding territory, you have probably seen our two new cities on Legoland, City 17 and The Hive. You are free to settle at any place north of these cities as long as it is the eastern half of the continent (I do not know what territorial arrangement you might have with GS on their side). Likewise both GS and GoW agreed to give you the isthmus and the hammer. Regarding Lego, we understand you have a moral debt with them and will not hold against you any accomodation you make with them. Likewise we will respect the territory of Voxtavia in its entirety and will not undertake any military action inside its borders, even against Lego (that said we will not look favorably if Lego uses your territory as a hiding place for "hit and run" attacks on us, we already spotted a lego battleship at the tip of the continent and we suspect they might have more units in that area). Cheers and best regards to our Voxian friends -MZ Darth Helmet wannabe

	23-01-2005 22:26									#307
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and my response.... (please feel free to jump in and comment, suggest, or criticize.)

quote: Hi MZ. Thanks for your note. You can rest assured that we will not allow Lego to use Vox territory as base for military operations. In fact, I doubt they want any of our land. We have seen, and do see bits and pieces of the Lego navy - and if they ask for refuge in our waters, which they have not yet, I don't think we would be too keen on it. As to the settlement territory. Thank-you. We can make that work. The land is much appreciated. We will also engage in discussions with GS and will let you know how that pans out. Now, technology. We have been in discussions with ND, and we think we have reached agreement on a tech deal for rocketry. To be honest, we have a few language barriers with the current ND ambassador (bischop). We appreciate that the next period in the game is going to be politically sensitive, with 3 teams left in the game. We have been closest to GoW after Lego. We are not asking or wanting to get directly involved in the politics, but we are willing to help with technology to the extent we can. Cash is one way; being a tech 'go-between' is another. There are a number of possibilities here, and we should discuss them. Let me know how you would like to proceed. Cheers ...Beta of Vox

	28-01-2005 15:02									#308
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Any word back from your last message to GoW Beta?

	29-01-2005 07:46									#309
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Nope - not yet. I will get writing some notes tomorrow. Tonight is Team Babylon night.

	07-03-2005 09:49									#310
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From Hot_enamel via PM. Hmmm...

quote: PTWDG - GoW & Vox Hey Beta, As there has been a few comments on the forums regarding a UN vote... GoW would like to know what Vox would do if it ever came to one. And what we have to do to ensure you dont vote for ND or GS. (I think they are the only other two who would be up for election) And I guess... what we would have to do to get your vote Other news : Nothing. ND attacking RP was a surprise to us as it was to everyone else. My guess, it was just opportunistic. The note we got from ND with the save, was that RP had no defenders in those cities.....so they thought they would take them. As good a reason as any I guess. Regs

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I think we can confirm to GoW that we would not vote for GS or ND if it came down to it.

I guess we could suck up to GoW, and to a certain degree we weill. But I hope we do not go the UN route. We still have 3 major civs who need to bonk heads.

And us just keeping our head down.

	23-03-2005 21:54									#312
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From MZ. Did we have a rocketry deal with ND??? In any case I responded that it must have been a mistake and I'd check with Beta. So Beta...????

quote: Dark Empire Bank Ltd. received a wire transfer of 250g from the Voxian Government. We believe this was because of the exchange of Rocketry, however the Imperial Government would like to make it clear that we gave you Rocketry because ND asked us to. Sound strange? ND's turn-player forgot to send you the tech as I presume you two had agreed to. So when ND sent me the save they told me to send you Rocketry, which I did. But in essense, that was on behalf of ND, not us. So, if those 250g were part of whatever deal you had with ND, I suggest you send it to them next turn. If those were in fact destined for us, for some other reason, then please refresh my memory... but I doubt it. GoW never forgets when people owe us (and we still owe you a tech. Don't think we've forgotten) Cheers -MZ

	07-04-2005 08:52									#313
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Sent to MZ

quote: To our friends at GoW, This message finds us in a bit of a quandary. Lego has landed on our shores, offering a ROP. We have declined as the agreement we had for settling territory was not to help Lego out. So we won't help them, but we also don't have the firepower to finish them off without taking losses that we can't afford. I have no idea what Lego's plans are, but I just want to make sure that you know we are not helping them if they decide to strike into your territory. Also, we thought you should know that if ND does call a UN council, you will have our vote. Thanks, Rhoth

	14-04-2005 09:52									#314
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From MZ

quote: Sorry for the late reply, wasn't home for part of last week and have had other stuff to do since. But here goes. Regarding Lego, you of course understand that we have a certain interest in wiping them out (though our WW has not been terrible, it has affected us a wee bit and we'd be better off without it) as does GS. Of course we will always respect your borders and will never attack Lego unless they are in neutral space. That said, I have a little proposal. I do not know how many units they landed, I assume it must be a transport-load so that means 7 units plus a settler. If you would agree to a RoP we could send a couple of tanks and kill them off for you. This would take about 3 turns since that's the earliest that we could send a transport. That's the only thing I could think of. You could also let our Carrier pass and we could bomb them up a bit before you finish them off. As for striking in our territory, there's not much they can do with one transport... Regarding the UN vote, it seems ND has decided to postpone the vote, I don't recall what the minimum time is, if it's 10 or 20 turns but I guess this game is still a bit far from being over. You don't know how much we appreciate Vox's eventual vote. Despite a rough start, our two nations have pretty much held together in peace and in war and we are still grateful for Vox not having intervened in Lego's favor, just a couple of Vox attacks at Stanwix would have pretty much ruined our invasion. We also regret that we couldn't have helped more against GS in your war, but as you understand, GS was a monster back then and we were powerless in that struggle. In the meantime, rest assured that GoW will do its utmost to respect Vox's integrity and should you ever be attacked, will come to your aid to the best of our ability. Three cheers for Vox and GoW! :beer: -MZ Btw, my poly PM box is practically full, i think it would be better if we communicated via e-mail (my addy is raguil AT gmail DOT com) or you can PM Hot_Enamel who talks quite often with Beta.

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Sent to MZ after 1340ad

quote: To our friends in Glory of War and Gathering Storm, As I mentioned in the game discussion thread, one of our cities (Resurrection) has culture flipped to Lego. I've never seen that before with a nation having no cities and flipping a city, but that's neither here nor there. Vox has declared war on Lego and intends to take the city back (since AFAIK they can't give it back when they only have one city). We still don't intend to attack the stack they have in our lands though as we can't afford the manpower it would take. Unless they decide to attack us in a blaze of glory, though I've taken steps to see that doesn't cost us much if they do try that, then we will let them continue heading toward GoW lands on former Lego as that is what they seem to be doing. If they decide to hole up in Vox lands we would be amenable to a ROP. Rhoth

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quote: Hi MZ, So I guess I'm back to being fulltime turnplayer for Vox again since Beta is too busy. Not that it's too difficult. I guess I'll have to write up another little post about staging a new coup and banishing Beta back to the depths of the deepest Voxian prison. In any case I wanted to discuss a few things with you. First of all, we have accepted your ROP to kill off Lego. Their remaining forces are around the city of Lego Memorial (fitting name after all) and parked on a hill. We have taken back our city of Resurrection after Lego left it open for us, but I promised them we would not attack them further unless they attacked us. The second thing is in regard to land. Now that Spain is out of the picture, we would like to settle more of Lego if we can, south of The Limit and Lego Memorial. That however is up to you as it is your land by right of mutual conquest, though currently empty. I'm quite sure GS will have enough trouble with the other two superpowers ganging up on them to worry about us settling there. With regard to your new war we will support you...though it is my intention to officially remain neutral. If GS brings us into the war against them then we'll fight them, but for now I don't intend to publicly declare support for you. If you need any spying done in a specific city don't hesitate to ask. And lastly, technology. I don't remember if you and Beta had worked out anything, but now that I'm back to being full-time turnplayer I want to do something about technology. We haven't actually been researching anything for a while, just accumulating gold for infrastructure rushes. Do you need us to go after a technology you don't have time to go for (similar to what we did for Lego) or can we set up a payment plan to pay you gold every turn for techs? Rhoth

	22-04-2005 00:16									#317
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From MZ in response....

quote: Greetings to the glorious new leader of Vox (you guys have more coups than a banana republic hehe) First off, land. Yes, you are free to settle more lands south if you wish. I was planning to send you a map of where you can settle as we are interested in having at least one city on the west coast of Legoland around the desert areas. IIRC there are two rivers that run more or less horizontally along the west, you may settle as far south as the second river which if memory serves is along the desert. Just to clear doubts I will send you a map next turn. Also, regarding "New Spain", well, you can have that too, if anything for symbolic purposes as it's historically your land. We could gift you Monterrey and El Paso this very turn, they are pretty much useless for us and gifting them to you would eliminate RP's cultural influence in them. The other three cities we'd have to hold on for a few more turns for military reasons as soon as any possible GS threat to that area is over (i'd say in about 2-3 turns). The cities of Santa Barbara and Elipolis we'd hold until the end of the war. Second of all, Lego. We spotted their units last turn and sent a contingent of 8 tanks to Legoland last turn. Since however, we are a bit critical of losses right now and their tanks are on a hill (probably forted by this turn) we would like permission in softening them up with some bombing. Our carrier is in position to do so, or we could Instant-Send™ (god bless ship chaining) some Artys to do it. However, I am unsure if the game allows us to bomb the territory of a friendly nation even if its an enemy nation on that tile. If it doesn't then we'll just go ahead and send the tanks and accept the losses. Still, up to you to allow us this if it were possible. Also, you might be interested in reading this thread I just posted, and perhaps moving your destroyer from the strait... Lastly, the war. No problem with us if you guys remain neutral. Regarding techs, we would be interested in either Advanced Flight if you guys could research it quickly (i.e. 4-5 turns). If not, perhaps you could help us out with Ecology? I don't know how much gold you could send us but anything would do. We are right now doing 100% tax to keep a good stash of cash for the war against GS but then we'll probably throttle science back up to a respectable rate with ND maybe helping out (though IIRC they're researching something else). Well, that's basically it. Wish us luck in the coming turn. -MZ

	28-04-2005 20:54									#318
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From MZ

quote: Greetings to our Voxian friends. I was just wondering if you had an answer to our previous mail, mostly because the threat to New Spain has ceased and we would be favorable to gifting you all cities except for Santa Barbara and Elipolis. It's your call and we do not expect anything in return. -MZ

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From MZ. I've sent a quick note of thanks. BTW, I had also sent a note after his last message advising him that we did indeed want our homeland back.

quote: Greetings fellow Voxians We have sent you guys the cities of El Paso, Monterrey and San Antonio plus our world map. The threat against Estonia is pretty much gone now so I wouldn't worry about them being undefended. We can gift you San Diego next turn and Santa Barbara and Elipolis once the war progresses a bit more. Regarding your settlements in Legoland, I have attached a map with the two cities that GoW plans to build in the next couple of turns. All the area north of that is free for your people to colonize. Last but not least, just a little report on what we did inside your territory, we went in hooked up with your women, made out inside your granaries... nah, just kidding. Lego's tank stack was bombed by our carrier and we sent some artillery to pound their infantry. Our tanks killed their tanks and the infantry will be attacked next turn since we want to soften them up with another round of bombardment. The Aggie carrier group is inside your waters, they shall promptly leave after next turn (unless the female population of Iron Beach wants our hot Village-People-looking sailors to stay..). Cheers, -MZ

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From MZ.

quote: Oh, one more thing... You know how we found a possible way of eliminating Lego here: http://www.apolyton.net/forums/show...threadid=132481 We were wondering if you could send us a 10gpt deal and see if by accepting such a thing we can kill off Lego. If you agree, we will counter with a 10gpt deal of our own to even things out. -MZ