05-08-2003 16:51									#211
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I agree with the idea of a repayment schedule.

	06-08-2003 07:13									#212
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Sent to H_E of GoW.

Hi H_E! How's life at GoW? Somewhat interesting I presume.

Listen - our best wishes to you and MZ and Panzer and the rest of the crew. We have avoided wading into the fray, but it all seems very familiar to us. GS' self-righteous attitude, and their easily-hurt feelings, get to be a bit much. You guys are doing a great job in the public forum. Keep it up. I, for one, am loving it!!!

Any more city investigations you want us to do?

BTW - we could use some cash on the money you owe us. We still owe Lego money from before, and they would like repayment as well. If you want - you can send 70 gold directly to them to pay off our remaining loan, instead of it going through us. If you want to discuss repayment terms, given the current sitiuation, just let us know.

And in case it is not clear - we are pulling for you and ND!!! Oh - for a half dozen caravels and a stack of knights and immortals....

RP told us they got engineering from GS. We were trying to string them along on another deal - and then zip - they had it. Since then - we have not chatted with them at all. Nor with GS.

Our civilization is redeveloping. Three new cities formed last turn. Another 3 this turn. It will take some time to get productive, and we figure it is best if we lay low lie for awhile.

Regarding techs - a little birdie told us that we should discuss invention with you. Can we negotiate a deal of some sort? We are currently researching the printing press, although it will be some time before we are finished it.

That's about it for now. Take care guys, and good luck with the war! And with the PR campaign.

Sincerely ... Beta ... off in the Hinterland of Legos Minor (now Voxtavia).

	06-08-2003 22:40									#213
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H-E's response, and my response back. Any idea how much they owe us. I presume it was all related to that first investigation turn when we did not accept the deal.

Hi H_E. Thanks for the response.

I will check as to the amount. It got confusing with the first investigation because MZ sent the luxury - and we do not need it for a number of turns yet. And, I know Lego wants hard cash - so we should probably repay them directly.

We are close to Lego. We were before the exodus, and we are even more so now. We have no problems with the proposed embargos, and would honor them if the 'alliance' goes that way.
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As part of of the Voxodus deal, GS tried to get us to sign a 'friends and trading partners for life' deal, including no embargos, but we refused to sign it. It was dropped from the final deal. I will need to go back and revisit the exact wording with GS, but I don't belive our deal precludes us from anything you are proposing. And believe me - we are chomping at the bit to get back into it. It will be quite awhile before we can help militarily.

We have had no official dealings or even conversations with GS or RP. They pretty much ignore us.

Lego and Vox stay in touch pretty regularly. We have agreed to lay low for awhile.

Yes - the Voxodus is working well. We will soon have a larger civilization - in terms of number of cities - than we had on Estonia. It is fun rebuilding - almost as much fun as the public forum fireworks.

There was a quick exchange of cities with GS right at the time of the exodus to teleport our units - but since then - there has been no transfer of cities. Someday - we hope. When we get astronomy - we can reach North Estonia by sea very quickly.

Anyways - I will check on the amount owing - and our deal with GS.

Take care - hope you get into the thick of the war soon.

... Beta.

quote: Hot_Enamel wrote on 06-08-2003 10:45: Hey Beta .. Just a quick reply. I wasnt aware that we owed you any money. I posted on the forum, and Panzer has only just responded that he doesnt know anything about it as well. Dont worry .. Its not unusual for us to forget about these things. Can you let us know what we owe and what for. War news. GS is a pain We are yet to find a single unit to kill to start up our GA. Both RP & GS are quite happy to hole up in their walled cities. ND have had far better success than us, although they do have a GA, and can send in reinforcements pretty quickly. We will let you know if we need investigations. Plans this turn almost definately dont require it. We are manouvering troops . Invention will be around soon - 6 turns I think. Obviously, the war has caused us to choose our trading partners closely. We are attempting to negotiate a trade embargo against RP/GS. GS see grabbing Bob land as their only hope in winning the game. Hopefully, they will also see a trade embargo against them as ensureing they will lose the game. So the ideas being tossed around are a trade embargo until the get off bob. We have talked to Lego, and are discussing the idea. What is you exact relationship with Lego & RP/GS. Are you still trading etc etc ... And I guess are you interested in the embargo, if we can get support from Lego ? Sounds like the exodis has worked out well for you. Did I see one of your cities return to your ownship a few turns back ? What happened there ? Anyway .. keep in touch .. Tell us what we owe and what for. We too are "borrowing" from Lego, so maybe we can repay Lego back direct for you, and get them to add it to whatever we owe them. Regards Hot_Enamel of the GoW

	07-08-2003 00:06									#214
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Beta, go back to your post here that you made just before going on vacation and read from there on. Basically, you reminded GoW that they owed us 155 gold and since then we have received a single payment of 40 gold, so they still owe us 115 gold. You will notice that I have had communications with MZ and Panzer32 but only the one payment of 40 gold is all that has come our way.

	07-08-2003 06:32									#215
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Harry ..thanks! Just sent this to H_E.

Hi H_E!

Harry pointed me to a post I had sent MZ:

quote: Hi MZ! Very entertaining times. Nothing like the start of a war to spice up the forum. Our team is on-side with the alternate deal NOT to provide engineering to RP. Essentialy they, RP, cancelled the original deal - and tried to renegotiate - because of cash shortages - so we are somewhat OK with this. We also think it would be somewhat two-faced to do our 'spying' deal with you - but then to trade engineering to RP when it will help them in the war. So - 40 gold, plus a tech, plus a lux for 20 turns - that was what we discussed. We are OK with it. Are you? Please let me know. Thanks. If yes - that will be 35 gold for the original way-back-when deal, 80 for the Toledo investigation, and 40 for the RP-cancellation deal .... cash register rings it up - cha ching - 155 gold. But no luxes for awhile. Thanks. All the best with the war! Regards ....Beta.

The issue may have been that MZ sent the deal with the cash - but it included the lux which we cannot use for awhile. And the deal was that we would set the period we were to receive it for. I informed MZ and did not accept the deal, but the cash was never re-offered. We did get the 40 gold for the cancellation of the RP deal, but not the 35 for engineering, or the 80 for the investigation.

You can check the saves, but we are pretty sure about this. Let me know how you want to handle it.

Thanks. Much appreciate it. ... Beta.

	09-08-2003 20:48									#216
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To Hot_Enamel of GoW:

Hi H_E. Trust all is well with GoW.

We have rechecked the turns and you do owe us 115 gold. You may recall the turn - or I'm sure MZ will - where you sent the 115 gold, plus the luxury, but we did not accept. The 115 consisted of 35 for engineering, and 80 for the first city investigation. But we did not accept as we do not need the luxury now, and it was agreed that we could ask for it at a future time.

If the 115 as a lump sum is a problem, you can break it up over a couple of turns or something like that. We really could use the cash though - as we need to buy some city improvements to get our civ back up and running. Thanks.

Trust the war is going well.

Stay in touch. All the best ... Beta.

	15-08-2003 19:25									#217
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Just to close the money issue in this thread, see this post in the Moves 4 thread that the issue has been resolved and GoW does not owe us the money.

	27-08-2003 23:33									#218
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Harry did you receive Beta's email regarding GoW's request for spying on another city?

Where has Beta been anyway? A suspension shouldn't have lasted that long...espeically if it was a first offense.

	29-08-2003 07:29									#219
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Hi - back. I let GoW know the cost involved - 146 gold. They will contact us if they want it done.

btw - here was H_E's response via e-mail:

quote: Thanks, ND wants to take it, but GoW feels it will be too bloody. If we do attack, it will be 5-6 turns from now, and we will investigate then...if we want. Really though, we already know whats inside, because RP sent the whole stack out to attack ND. RP's offensive failed, and they scrambled back. Had they done this 1 turn later, they would not of made it back to Pampalona in time, and our riders would of taken that city as well. They dodged a bullet Regs

	13-09-2003 04:56									#220
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Received from GoW - Emperor Aggie. We need to decide what we want to do here. I am going to discuss with GoW their appetite for this.

quote: Greetings Greeting from your friends at GOW. I was recently informed that you and Lego are in full consultation and thus you are aware of the current situation. Additionally I was told that you recently received a letter from GS suggesting an attack on our island holdings. This could clearly work to our mutual advantage to make GS think you are planning such an attack or that it is actually taking place. I don't know if MZ has discussed this with you, but if you would be interested in chatting and discussion anything just let me know when. If you would be interested in a role in the current conflict we would be happy to have you aligned with us. However, I suspect that GS made you sign a NAP for all time. Additionally I am sure you have much to do on your island and have better things to do than fighting. Hope to talk to you soon. Perhpas one day we can return your previous holdings to their rightful owners. Aggie(Emperor of the Glory of War)

	14-09-2003 04:36									#221
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And the plot thickends!

	02-10-2003 04:04									#222
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H_E has indicated to me that GoW would like to know how much it would cost to investigate Pamplona.

	02-10-2003 04:14									#223
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Do they just want to know the cost and then we pass the turn on? Or do they want to know the cost, have us get back to them, make a decision on whether to go for it, and then have us investigate the city all in the same turn?

If they can wait two hours (until I get home from work) I can give them an estimate of the cost based on last turn.

EDIT: went ahead and contacted H_E and asked him if he wanted a cost estimate based on last turn to speed things up when we actually receive the turn.

Last edited by Rhothaerill on 02-10-2003 at 04:30

	02-10-2003 07:01									#224
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I wrote...

Hi there H_E,

Beta had mentioned that you were looking for a cost for city investigation. We don't have the turn yet, but I was wondering if you just wanted the cost right now, or if you wanted the cost and then make a decision about whether to have us actually investigate the city this turn?

If it's the latter I might be able to speed that up a bit by giving you a cost estimate based on last turn. I played our last turn so I'm the only one on the team that has it. If you want it I should be able to give you the estimate in about two or three hours (once I get home from work and have dinner ).


His response...

quote: Hot_Enamel wrote on 01-10-2003 18:46: Howdy Rhothaerill, Just a quote is fine. You can use an old save as we have no plans on doing the investigation this turn. We are discussing a number of options. One included a quick investigation. RP is advancing on us. Yet they also have more cities to defend. We were wondering how many units they have left in their capital and therefore if their other cities are undefended like last time Just a quote would be great. Many Thanks

And my reply...

Hi H_E,

Just checked on Pamplona from last turn. It was 166 gold to investigate the city. That is unfortunately out of our league at the moment so if you do desire us to do the investigation in the future we will have to ask for the gold up front.

Good luck in your war.

And final response...

quote: Thanks Rhothaerill, Payment in advance will be no problem if we decide to go ahead. Appreciate the help Regs Hot_Enamel

	20-10-2003 16:39									#225
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From Master Zen of GoW:

Hey Beta,

now that the PTWDG is rolling I have a little request to ask Vox. We were wondering if Vox would be willing to take a pic of Pamplona this turn. However, we had already alloted our budget this turn. We would pay you next turn without delay. Would this be ok with you guys? Thanks

-MZ

I responded OK on the delayed payment.

	22-10-2003 08:51									#226
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To MZ, Panzer, and H_E.

Guys - not what you wanted. Sorry. We screwed up. We just assumed we would have sufficient gold to do this - but we are 11 short. Damn. I should have checked an old save when you first contacted me. You or ND could have sent the 11 gold on this turn so we could do it.

We have little in the way of city improvements to sell - one temple actually. I couldn't think of anything else I could do his turn.

And this was after a crummy day of work too. Hope my dreams are better tonight.

Again - apologies from Vox. Let us know if you want us to do it next turn. I appreciate with the war - this may have been critical.

Beta.

	22-10-2003 16:56									#227
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Back from MZ. I confirmed the cost to him.



Don't worry, no need to apologize. It was us who did not send the money, plus I contacted you after we sent the save already. We will send it next turn

Thanks again! (btw, how much will it cost?)

-MZ

	26-10-2003 12:21									#228
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Sent to Aggie and Master Zen before they are finished their turn. A friendly reminder to send the gold up front this time.

quote: Greetings to Aggie and Master Zen of Glory of War from your friendly neighborhood Voxtavians. Pursuant to your request for us to spy on Pamplona and send you the details in 300ad we wish to inform you that we will indeed have the necessary funding ourselves this turn. However we would still prefer upfront cash. Our little island does not allow us the luxury of both growth and production in equal measure so our stored gold is precious for future harbors. The investigation cost is still 166 gold. Vox still does not require the use of our portion of the investigation deals (meaning the luxury items GoW offered), but we will eventually be required to make our people happy and your luxuries will be of great use to us for many years to come. Thanks from Vox and good luck in your war. And regards from Rhoth.

	28-10-2003 10:26									#229
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Sent to Aggie, Master Zen, Hot_Enamel and Panzer32 of GoW

quote: Pamplona Investigation Good evening to our Glory of War neighbors. We have received your payment of half of the cost of the Pamplona investigation and have undertaken that investigation this turn. There are two screenshots as two of their units did not show up on the screen with the slider all the way to the left. The second screenshot shows the last two units when the slider is to the right. Pamplona 1 Pamplona 2 Happy warring and good luck from Voxtavia. Rhoth

The 2 Pamplonas are the links to the screenshots I took.

Please remember that they will still owe us 83 gold for the remainder of the investigation.

	31-10-2003 10:11									#230
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Response from Master Zen to the Pamplona investigations.

quote: Sorry for the late reply but on behalf of GoW, a million thanks to our great friend Vox for this valuable information. -MZ

	26-11-2003 10:22									#231
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PM sent to Aggie and Master Zen regarding repayment of the 83 gold they owe us.

quote: Good evening to our Glory of War neighbors. Five turns ago we at Vox Controli received your payment of half of the cost of the Pamplona investigation. Vox would just like to request of GoW the estimated timeline for repayment of the remaining 83 gold for the investigation. Thanks. Happy warring and good luck from Voxtavia. Rhoth

	02-12-2003 08:14									#232
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Received from Hot_Enamel of GoW this evening.

quote: PTWDG And just keeping you in the loop GS just lost the bulk of their army. 19 knights were attacked by ND. ND killed most. GoW conducted backup and mop-up operations and finished the job. GS's invasion into GoW's eastern territory is now in full retreat.

Some heavy duty fighting, no doubt. Gee, too bad about GS.

	02-12-2003 09:52									#233
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Damn! I hate it when that happends!

	15-12-2003 11:54									#234
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PM to Aggie and Master Zen of GoW about a tech deal involving Printing Press. I'd like to at least see if they want to deal and what they will offer.

quote: Greetings to Aggie, Master Zen and the many fine people of Glory of War, We of Vox Controli now live in a harsh land. The rock known as Voxtavia is an unforgiving land mass and only our beaches and great fishing industry have sustained us. But the people of Voxtavia are hardy. We survive and now thrive. We have been working on a project that might interest the people of Glory of War. By necessity, much of our population consists of fishermen and mountain men, but a new generation of us have begun to study the few books we were able to bring with us. The desire for wider distribution of these books is leading us to develop a process of printing on a special press. No longer will our few scribes be forced to work day and night to produce our books. Perhaps in a few more years, once we have perfected the process we would be able to share our printing press techniques with the people of Glory of War in exchange for knowledge we do not possess. Best regards to Glory of War Rhothaerill on behalf of Vox Controli P.S. in simple terms, we will have printing press in several more turns and would be willing to trade it with you then for tech. If you would like to make an offer I will discuss it with the rest of my team. Thanks.

	15-12-2003 13:04									#235
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Response from Master Zen.

quote: Greetings from The Glory of War™ Our greatest sages and intellectuals (in other words like 2 or 3 guys) have been most astounded by this news of the impressive educational acheivements of the Voxian people. We are sure that such an invention might lead to books being accessible to our people on a grander scale and perhaps increase the commoner's vocabulary to something more than "Ugh, squid stink", "Bubba, you smell", and "Die chicken". In other words, I'll see what the team thinks -MZ

	16-12-2003 00:25									#236
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Response from Aggie. At the very least we'll be getting our gold back from them. But it looks like they're willing to deal.

quote: This is excellent news. By the way you will find a payment of 43g this turn and expect the balance next(we are rushing a tech and I wasn't sure exactly how much ND would send us). We would be very happy to entertain any tech trades. I am glad to seee your people achieving greatness on those rocky slopes. Good Luck. Aggie

	21-12-2003 23:44									#237
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Per Vondrack's response about giving us banking and astronomy, I suggest we try to trade printing press to GoW for chivalry (since we know they have it. ) along with some cash or an extension of our luxury deal an extra 20 turns. Thoughts? If this is what we'd like to do then I will contact Aggie and MZ, but I think it would be the best deal we could get out of them. We will need chivalry in 20 turns for my plan anyway.

	29-12-2003 12:38									#238
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PM sent to Aggie and Master Zen.

quote: Greetings to Aggie, Master Zen and the rest of the fine people of Glory of War. We apologize for not returning your email sooner regarding this deal as the holidays beckoned. Regarding our discussion about sending Printing Press to Glory of War, Vox Controli would like to request the technology known as chivalry from Glory of War. As Printing Press is 4 tech points higher than Chivalry a deal for gold can be struck or perhaps an addition of 20 turns of the luxury item that Glory of War owes to Vox as part of past deals. If this offer is acceptable to Glory of War please PM me or Beta and we can work out a written deal. If this offer isn't acceptable perhaps we can work something else out. Regards, Rhoth

	29-12-2003 20:02									#239
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Rhoth - Lego has offered us Chivalry for basically free. However - as was the case with our recent deal with GS, they may actually prefer if we trade for it. I will contact Lego and find out. Can you hold off finalizing any deal until we hear back from Lego.

	29-12-2003 22:30									#240
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I will. Sorry, I didn't know Lego was giving it to us free. I thought only Banking was still to come.