12-03-2003 07:52									#31
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quote: Originally posted by Field Marshal Klesh No, there is no sequence needed. Only that all playing members play their part of the turn.

Perhaps I am misunderstanding the play. Only one person can play at a time, right? Then they pass it to the next? It seems impossible for 2 people to play their part (Front Commanders) except in rotation. If 2 Front Commanders grab the posted file at the same general time, the file returned will not reflect both.

That seems sequential to me.

quote: 35 turns in the game. If people dont want to stick around, that not our problem. We have enough kids from the SLeague, who are genuine scenario designers and enthusiasts to which this idea is like a godsend (the way we always wanted to play this epic game). The rest is speculation. We'll see I guess.

That should take about 2 years. My best good wishes go to you and your "dedicated kids from the SLeague, who are genuine scenario designers and enthusiasts to which this idea is like a godsend (the way we always wanted to play this epic game)". But if people don't want to stick around, that *is* a problem. I'm just saying that it is better to recongize this potential problem than to ignore it.

quote: I guess this is a different kind of game then. If its a new idea I created, I didnt give it the right name. Simultanious Multiplayer PBEM? S&M-PBEM

Different games are wonderful. But a Demo Game is not a PBEM or other type. Demo is Demo.

quote: The default WWII scenario by Microprose would simply not fly with the SLeague (which added to that the PBEMers which are Sleaguers playing) was the target group for my original post. Blame HTower for this one here. Our job over there is to make scenarios. We have so many in the WWII genre, but RF is like the monumental beacon to us all. It's strange, but it has a quality to it that is something special. I really dont think were going to have a problem with it.

No problem with your area of interest at all. To each their own. It's just that H Tower suggested your Red Front Scenario as our next Demo Game, and I saw some problems with doing that in a Demo Game format. I hope it works out for you completely and happily.

	12-03-2003 08:27									#32
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Yeah, good luck Klesh, but unless there are many of us here who know this scenario (I am not one of these) then it looks like your numbers won't be added to by those of us in this Democracy game..

	12-03-2003 08:43									#33
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quote: Originally posted by cavebear Perhaps I am misunderstanding the play. Only one person can play at a time, right? Then they pass it to the next? It seems impossible for 2 people to play their part (Front Commanders) except in rotation. If 2 Front Commanders grab the posted file at the same general time, the file returned will not reflect both. That seems sequential to me.

Yes, sure. But if say one front commander is away, the other 5 or whatever can take thier turns, both ministers can all do their part. One minister could go, then 3 front commanders, then anothger minister etc. Then a different 'order' next turn.

quote: That should take about 2 years. My best good wishes go to you and your "dedicated kids from the SLeague, who are genuine scenario designers and enthusiasts to which this idea is like a godsend (the way we always wanted to play this epic game)". But if people don't want to stick around, that *is* a problem. I'm just saying that it is better to recongize this potential problem than to ignore it.

I present to you The Age of War PBEM game. Of which several players are interested in this RF game. Thread started June 25, 2001, with over 1,000 posts. This represent 6 years in a scenario that lasts for 50. Of course this is a commitment that is just as great.

quote: Different games are wonderful. But a Demo Game is not a PBEM or other type. Demo is Demo.

Sure.

quote: No problem with your area of interest at all. To each their own. It's just that H Tower suggested your Red Front Scenario as our next Demo Game, and I saw some problems with doing that in a Demo Game format. I hope it works out for you completely and happily.

Right, I really dont thnk this is what some of you are lookign for at all. Fine by me. I was just checking in to see the responses.

-FMK.

	12-03-2003 10:11									#34
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quote: Originally posted by Field Marshal Klesh Blame HTower for this one here.

quote: Cavebear It's just that H Tower suggested your Red Front Scenario as our next Demo Game,

thanks LOADS guys for letting me put a proposal forward.

I guess it's pretty obvious that SLeague and Demo don't mix, let's just drop it already then.

	12-03-2003 11:07									#35
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Correct imho, HT.

	12-03-2003 12:38									#36
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which leads us back to the orginal question, what shall be the format of our next game?

from scratch again or some sort of pre developed world (eg scenario)?

	12-03-2003 17:20									#37
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quote: Originally posted by atomant which leads us back to the orginal question, what shall be the format of our next game? from scratch again or some sort of pre developed world (eg scenario)?

Like I said, lets go for a the most points possblie, while playing on a (giga) world map.

	13-03-2003 01:52									#38
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Well, it sure shouldn't be a SS game. The previous one was military and oceanic. What about a large all-land military one?

	13-03-2003 01:54									#39
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http://www.apolyton.com/forums/foru...?s=&forumid=185

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	13-03-2003 02:07									#40
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quote: Originally posted by cavebear Well, it sure shouldn't be a SS game. The previous one was military and oceanic. What about a large all-land military one?

I would agree to this.

	13-03-2003 02:35									#41
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quote: Originally posted by cavebear Well, it sure shouldn't be a SS game. The previous one was military and oceanic. What about a large all-land military one?

That makes sense, and maybe if we go on to world map, we could be in Aisa or whatever. And yes, I've been say that we have the giga world map, so, I'll just put the file below, Note, website has a every weird scenario on the site too (or at least looks weird,) and the map I'm talking about is the sencond one, the frist one dosen't work: http://ostranderbellepoint.tripod.com/index.htm

	13-03-2003 02:40									#42
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quote: Originally posted by cavebear Well, it sure shouldn't be a SS game. The previous one was military and oceanic. What about a large all-land military one?

can we rely on the computer to make us a decent landmass map? IIRC, this game was supposed to be a landmass game and turned out to be another island game.

	13-03-2003 02:46									#43
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that would depend on the settings used by the president when starting the game.

I have played on many random maps that would have been perfect for this

	13-03-2003 05:23									#44
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I like the idea of a large (contiguous) land mass gigamap as well.

I also like the idea of giving the AIs good starting positions and leaving us on a small island or a pole

As for using a non-computer generated map, why not have a non-participant produce the map and create the 4000 BC save? That's worked well in succession games. That way we know that we won't have some wacky map that doesn't match what we're looking for... and still retain some mystery in the game.

	13-03-2003 06:29									#45
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STYOM - I have a giga map start on a three tile island. (Not a scenario, but just luck of the draw) I will not be participating so it will be new to everyone. If interested let me know.

I nearly posted the 4000BC start ... but thought you may prefer it emailed.

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	13-03-2003 06:55									#46
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Please send me a copy, SG(2). I'll PM my email to you.

I don't know if the people will want to play that map, but if they don't, I will. So I'll hang onto it until a decision is made.

	13-03-2003 12:06									#47
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Sent! If this is not the next DemoGame I will post the 4000BC start if anyone wants to play.

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	13-03-2003 12:27									#48
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i too have a perfect map... no water.... lots of mountains... I am not telling how big it is as the fog of war element is part of the challenge of the game.

No water means the super clad strategy can not be used again....

	13-03-2003 17:12									#49
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quote: Originally posted by atomant i too have a perfect map... no water

ok, I like that, one problem... HOW THE HELL DO WE FARM IT!

	13-03-2003 19:00									#50
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there are rivers in select places

	14-03-2003 02:11									#51
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ok

	14-03-2003 05:14									#52
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If a non-participant provided a map that would eliminate naval conquest, that would be perfect.

	14-03-2003 05:25									#53
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quote: Originally posted by Six Thousand Year Old Man I like the idea of a large (contiguous) land mass gigamap as well.

count me as interested in that idea also - oceans give the player who uses trade a lot a big advantage

	14-03-2003 06:11									#54
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That suits me too. I'm bored with endless freight strategies.

	14-03-2003 07:09									#55
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I want some sort of military game.

	14-03-2003 13:13									#56
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OK, I will provide the map, but won't participate in this game...... if that is what the community decides is the format for the next game

Aside from anecdotal or tongue in cheek comments

	14-03-2003 13:16									#57
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We count on those, atomant!

...plus your votes in polls etc...

	14-03-2003 15:19									#58
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one last word of warning.... the name of the map is captain chaos. it is purely random in terms of terrain spread, but 99.9999999% non ocean. there is no standard to placement of terrain. EG AI generated maps place tundra at either pole, you will not find it so in this map. The last thing i want to hear is who the &^%*& put patches of tundra where the equator should be!!!! The bottom line is buyer beware.

	14-03-2003 17:06									#59
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Sounds interesting

	14-03-2003 17:36									#60
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hmm sounds interesting, wargame on an all-land map(btw doesn't this give probs with the game: not enough water-error???)

Count me in when we start again

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