11-03-2003 06:27									#1
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Invading Iraq is a terrible idea. There is growing support against it. Unfortunately, many non-Americans are ruining it because they are Anti-Americans instead of Anti-War, not to point fingers or anything. I heard a story about this kid in Pennslyvania (I forgot how to spell it and I'm to lazy to look it up). He was pretty sure he was against the war and he went to these antiwar rallies but the people there hated Bush and America so much that he almost was turned away. I also heard about this one person who goes to my school. She went to Italy on a vacation and she was harassed on several occassions because she was American. And she was opposed to military action in Iraq.

Many more Americans would go against the war I think if some of the demonstraters were more anti-war than anti-American. I know how much foreigners hate Americans, and I don't have a problem with that, but right now getting opposition for the war on Iraq is more important than sharing about how evil Americans are. Just act nice to us now so we'll be against the war, and then when we're not needed you can tell the world how much you hate us.

	11-03-2003 07:04									#2
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quote: Originally posted by johncmcleod Just act nice to us now so we'll be against the war, and then when we're not needed you can tell the world how much you hate us.

You get treated as you deserve
You aren't needed
You won't be hated until after the unilateral invasion.

	11-03-2003 07:06									#3
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if they get scared away by thugs, then they weren't committed to the cause.

	11-03-2003 07:18									#4
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I heard some stuff about a dude that went to a place. Man, that was a great story.

	11-03-2003 08:11									#5
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quote: You get treated as you deserve You aren't needed You won't be hated until after the unilateral invasion.

I disagree. Why would you harass someone you don't even know? I didn't do anything to hurt the rest of the world, yet millions hate me. Is that fair?

Don't you want more support for not going to war? Most people that don't want to go to war would want support. It especially helps to have the support of Americans, for its their country that's making the mistake.

I don't know where you've been, but we're already hated.

quote: if they get scared away by thugs, then they weren't committed to the cause.

That's the point! They're undecided, and they get swayed the wrong way and we lose support.

	11-03-2003 08:15									#6
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quote: Originally posted by Ozz You get treated as you deserve You aren't needed You won't be hated until after the unilateral invasion.

Isn't it this kind of divisiveness that you accuse Americans of?

Be part of the solution, not the problem.

Only when people reach out to each other on individual levels do governments react.

	11-03-2003 08:30									#7
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quote: Originally posted by johncmcleod I heard a story about this kid in Pennslyvania (I forgot how to spell it and I'm to lazy to look it up). He was pretty sure he was against the war and he went to these antiwar rallies but the people there hated Bush and America so much that he almost was turned away. I also heard about this one person who goes to my school. She went to Italy on a vacation and she was harassed on several occassions because she was American. And she was opposed to military action in Iraq.

They may be true, they may be false. It doesn't surprise me if the pro-war camp has started smearing the anti-war people.

	11-03-2003 08:34									#8
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Urban Ranger, I'm not mad at them doing it because it's wrong. I'm sure that pro-war camps smear anti-war people too, like you said, though probably not nearly as many do it as the anti-war camps, but that's not the point. What I'm saying is we need more support, and it isn't helping us.

	11-03-2003 09:06									#9
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Some crap is happening, certainly, though I reckon most clear minded individuals will see these events as what they are.

	11-03-2003 20:06									#10
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quote: Originally posted by PLATO1003 Isn't it this kind of divisiveness that you accuse Americans of? Be part of the solution, not the problem. Only when people reach out to each other on individual levels do governments react.

What divisivenes? A pompass piece about two
incidents where americans were harassed and next thing "you can tell the world how much you hate us."
I'd like to hear the other side, like "some pompass
yank was being a real jerk".

Save yer lectures for your own people, they're the ones
who need them.

	11-03-2003 20:19									#11
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I imagine that 2/3 of the USA wanting to snuff Hussein right now is a real downer on peace protests in America.

	11-03-2003 20:36									#12
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we shall count bodies after the war and compare who was a bigger criminal, Bush or Sadam.

	11-03-2003 20:41									#13
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Sounds good to me. Hussein's count should already be in effect now.

	11-03-2003 20:45									#14
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Saddam's already up around a million killed. We'll probably have to break out the nukes to catch up...

	11-03-2003 20:50									#15
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Exactly, Drake.

	11-03-2003 20:59									#16
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Don't forget about the people who would have died if Saddam had stayed in power.

When comparing possible futures we should bare in mind the likely conquences of inaction vs action.

	11-03-2003 21:00									#17
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara I heard some stuff about a dude that went to a place. Man, that was a great story.

That's going into my Sigue Sigue Sputnik!

	11-03-2003 21:04									#18
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Regime change in America! Attack America, Not Iraq!

	11-03-2003 21:09									#19
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I do think many of the people who oppose the war do it for all sorts of situations having nothing to do with the war. Many protestors probably still see Bush as an illegtimate President. That someone who is anti-war but no anti-administration might be turned away from some rallies should not be a surprise.

Both sides have extremist which will turn centrist supporters of their cause away.

	11-03-2003 21:11									#20
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You mean there really is a war?

	11-03-2003 21:13									#21
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The extremists are particularly vocal in the anti-war movement, however, at least from what I've seen. It's really a shame that the more intelligent and effective war opponents get lost in a sea of hatred for Bush and America...

	11-03-2003 21:15									#22
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Ozz is not really a Canadian. Otherwise, please excuse his blanket insults and apparent lack of education/employment.

Ozz: HEY D00D, ITZ 11:20 - TIME 2 GO SMOKE A REEFR N' VOTE NDP

	11-03-2003 21:16									#23
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Thats because the extremist for the war party are those in power. they don't need to march to make themselves heard. After all, the Republicans were a lot more *****y out of power than in. When in power you have the incentive to 'moderate' the message, since you have to sell to a bigger audience.

	11-03-2003 21:17									#24
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You know, that crab is pretty sexy, with the hip-twisting and all.

	11-03-2003 21:21									#25
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quote: When in power you have the incentive to 'moderate' the message, since you have to sell to a bigger audience.

Wouldn't it be in the best interests of the anti-war movement to moderate their message as well? They would be best served by attracting as many folks as possible. Catering to extremists just drives away the moderates who you should be working to persuade...

	11-03-2003 21:22									#26
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara I heard some stuff about a dude that went to a place. Man, that was a great story.

I’ll take even the most common satire from the maker of the “Bush Regime” thread:

The economy's in the tank. Okay, that's not really his fault…

Three, civil rights: okay, we aren't a police state…

People have had their businesses destroyed for the crime of being Muslim

As you can see, I really like the last point outlining the rampant Bush regime shutting down Muslim commerce part. Otherwise, strong and not at all indecisive writing skills there, Mr. Welfare. Been fired from your “job” yet?

	11-03-2003 21:28									#27
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You want to know what's b.s. ?
I'll tell you.
A high school in Richardson is releasing Muslims during day for prayers.

Nothing against Muslims as a group, but come on!
No prayers in class. At sporting events. No pledge.

Well, crapola about sums it up.
I know I say things just to say things a lot, but this rant is serious.
T'ain't fair, McGee.

	11-03-2003 21:28									#28
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quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten Wouldn't it be in the best interests of the anti-war movement to moderate their message as well? They would be best served by attracting as many folks as possible. Catering to extremists just drives away the moderates who you should be working to persuade...

The anti-war crowd has distinct disadvantages today. The press is unsympathetic to letting them spread their message..since the war has yet to beign, they really don't have a united message to sell anyway, plus they have to do it at a time more Americans want to believe the president, if only because they feel safer that way in a world of insecurity.

	11-03-2003 21:31									#29
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quote: The press is unsympathetic to letting them spread their message..

The rest of your post was spot on, but I don't buy this one. I see anti-war activists, celebrity or non, on TV every single day...

	11-03-2003 21:34									#30
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quote: Originally posted by SlowwHand You want to know what's b.s. ? I'll tell you. A high school in Richardson is releasing Muslims during day for prayers. Nothing against Muslims as a group, but come on! No prayers in class. At sporting events. No pledge. Well, crapola about sums it up. I know I say things just to say things a lot, but this rant is serious. T'ain't fair, McGee.

Know why they're being let out? So people like Che won't have the opportunity to smear the opposite in declaring the US government as a systematic monster solely against the muslim faith.

Thanks Che!