11-03-2003 20:56									#1
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Why is that?

A lot of US and Canadian people want to move out of their parents' house as soon as they can. I don't think that's the case with the UK and the continental European countries, and definitely quite alien to Asian cultures.

I understand in some cases that some people don't see eye-to-eye with their parents, but that's not the majority of the cases.

Quite a curious mentality.

	11-03-2003 20:58									#2
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No. Just not a bunch of mama's boys.

Last edited by SlowwHand on 11-03-2003 at 21:09

	11-03-2003 21:01									#3
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The real question is why are you folks so clingie?

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BTW it's hard to get laid when you're over a certain age and you still live at mommy's house. Life is better when you are the master of your own house; more expensive, but better.

	11-03-2003 21:03									#5
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"A lot of US and Canadian people want to move out of their parents' house as soon as they can. I don't think that's the case with the UK and the continental European countries"

That may have more to do with housing affordability and the relationship with the parents, don't you think?

	11-03-2003 21:05									#6
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they have more space. continental europe and parts of asia are overpopulated hellholes so moving out is more expensive

	11-03-2003 21:06									#7
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It's cultural-like.

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Hmmmmmm, I sense trolling.

Anyway, I moved out so I could go live in montreal where the night life is great. My parents can't or could'nt understand that I wanted to go out almost every night and go to sleep at 3 or 4 in the morning only to get up and go to work in the morning and then to night school after.
To them that`s unthinkable but to me, that was a normal life. So arguing about it is not worth it, i just left. Plus getting out on your own makes you grow in every sense of the way. And I get along a lot better whit my parents now that I dont live there anymore. It's been 7 years now.
It builds caracter and you get a lot less "parent dependant". I'm glad I did, and that's what made me what I am today.


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	11-03-2003 21:14									#9
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Very good question: after all, in almost every other society "family" means extended family. This thing I see with so many Americans, that they only see their cousins and uncle's at familiy reunions every so often simply does not exist elsewhere.

One simplistic pop answer: The US ,Canada, and Asutralia (the same thign happens there, no) were big and relatively empty, once all the prior inhabitants were killed off by one thing or another (htough they were never that common). So, lots of land to fill, not enough people. It is then in sociaties interest to kick people out and force them to fill in the empty spots. In most other states, which had been pretty full for a logn time this no longer makes sense. perhaps in 200 years the Us and Canada, Australia will be more "normal".

	11-03-2003 21:16									#10
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I agree with DaShi on it being cultural. All the Anglophone nations share an emphasis on individuality.

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quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten I agree with DaShi on it being cultural. All the Anglophone nations share an emphasis on individuality.

Ummmmm, I`m french and it's the same here. It has nothing to do with being anglophone. What about Britain then?
You DID know that Canada is french AND english...right?

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quote: You DID know that Canada is french AND english...right?

Canada is English? I thought it was all French trappers and Eskimos...

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its because the west hates their parents when they live with them and the love them more when they dont.

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Jamaica does not share that culture..and they are Anglophone. Same can be said for all the West Indies. Maybe you can claim it a Saxon trait, though the original Saxons were as individualistic as a tribal people can be....

	11-03-2003 21:31									#15
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I'm going with the, "we're not clingy momma's boys" answer.

	11-03-2003 21:34									#16
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it's a protestant trait

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1. japan has limited space for living. i'm not sure how that applies to other asian countries, but China is mostly desert and moutains, so they might have limited space too.
   
2. There is a lot of free space in America for houses
   
3. most of america has a sense of rugged individualism within them for the old days
   
4. we're not sissy eurocoms
   

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quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten quote: You DID know that Canada is french AND english...right? Canada is English? I thought it was all French trappers and Eskimos...

Like most americans.....ignorant AND stupid.

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quote: Originally posted by Gangerolf it's a protestant trait

First they abandoned the Church..then Family. Waht will these satanist think of next?

Uber..tell a group of Italian mobsters that they are eurocommies for sticking with Family.. I dare you, double dare you, triple dog dare you!

	11-03-2003 22:09									#20
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Italian men are supposed to be infamous when it comes to living at home for long, or at least have their mothers cook and clean for them. This is supposed to continue at least until they get married. Often long into their 30s.

Not the case in Sweden or other nordic countries though. Would guess it's not that much different from the US and UK in its essence even if some economic factors may lead to somewhat different ages for moving out.

	11-03-2003 22:21									#21
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quote: Like most americans.....ignorant AND stupid.

I thought Canadians were supposed to have a sense of humor...

	11-03-2003 22:29									#22
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Once you go and live at college for 4 years, the idea
of going back to living with yer parents is really bad.
(freedom of action)

Living with yer parents after your 18 is NOT a babe magnet eithier (unless it's summer and you're in college)

	11-03-2003 22:30									#23
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Why is collectivism so strong in China?

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quote: Why is collectivism so strong in China?

Confucianism

	11-03-2003 22:33									#25
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In Latin America and the Med., the notion of Family is stronger than here in the US: putting your elderly parents in a home? Never. Kicking your kids out at 18, period? Hardly.

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quote: it's a protestant trait.

So all Catholics are mama's boys?

	11-03-2003 22:36									#27
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quote: So all Catholics are mama's boys?

Would you trust male authority figures if you were Catholic?

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quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten quote: Like most americans.....ignorant AND stupid. I thought Canadians were supposed to have a sense of humor...

Ok sorry, I mistook you for the average american...looks like you aren't.

	11-03-2003 22:41									#29
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Individualism is part of a justification for capitalism. The ruling class in America exploits the individualistic nature of Americans over and over again through the political system.

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quote: Originally posted by obiwan18 So all Catholics are mama's boys?

kind of.
protestantism is generally more individualistic, isn't it? and america has traditionally been dominated by protestants.

individualism + lots of free space = kids move out as soon as possible