13-03-2003 02:10									#1
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In response to some early misfortunes we have encountered, this was posted by jim_steer.

"It isn't their fault.
I believe we are feeling the wrath of a displeased banana, we should allow it to win a poll, that will applease it. Then hopefully our luck will change."

To that end - this poll exists.

Please ensure that you explain the reason for your vote so that others may share in your wisdom and make an informed choice. Thank-you.

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	13-03-2003 02:21									#2
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Communism at its best.

Go Banana!

	13-03-2003 03:07									#3
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Iam not sure there is just 1 god , the banana. but there now is also cactus god of the desert and steep god of the hills and mountains.

	13-03-2003 04:10									#4
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I am afraid this poll will not help. I would much prefer some explanation of the reasons why in joigning the members have inadvertantly committed not to publish a paper.

	13-03-2003 04:48									#5
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quote: Originally posted by DAVOUT I am afraid this poll will not help. I would much prefer some explanation of the reasons why in joigning the members have inadvertantly committed not to publish a paper.

When? Where?

	13-03-2003 04:55									#6
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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither When? Where?

I am referring to the message from UnOrthOdOx.

Link is here :

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...&threadid=80356

	13-03-2003 05:05									#7
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Yes, I saw that after I asked.

I wonder how many people sent him nasty-grams? I would think it would be better to deal with issues like that out in the open, since they involve 'rules' for all of us to govern ourselves by.

	13-03-2003 05:24									#8
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I fully agree, and I regret that it is not obvious for everybody.

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The one thing I'll say about this... what's done is done, and it's best if we just move on.

	13-03-2003 05:47									#10
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quote: Originally posted by Trip The one thing I'll say about this... what's done is done, and it's best if we just move on.

... so that it can be done to another guy ?

	13-03-2003 06:19									#11
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My point being that it's highly unlikely that Unortho will return, and if we continue to mull over this issue, then the only thing that would happen would be that more people would get upset. If people want to sniff out and repremand the said individuals, fine. But please, let's not escalate this, we have enough internal and external problems as it is...

	13-03-2003 06:37									#12
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The Banana will win an election!

	13-03-2003 06:53									#13
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In RL, working with my associates, I have adopted a phrase (from my fiance and her sister) that goes a long way to short-cutting communication: "I am passionate about this issue." That means 'back off, I'll fight tooth and nail on this one, so let's just agree on this one viewpoint, and move on.'

We need this type of communication tool here in the ISDG... and people have to respect it. In the absence of such, we have now had two defections that hurt.

I know Beta posted this with a bit of levity, but I propose a new phrase(s), which may look a little funny but could be helpful.

"Banana serious" or "banana important."

I am not joking.... there are players on this team for whom I have tremendous (!) respect, and if they propose something related to their individual area of expertise, even if not fully articulated, they should be able to say BANANA! and the rest of us back off and consider their position just on trust.

Obviously, not something to be abused... and I trust all to respect that.

Maybe a little silly, but, hey,

APOLYTON SPIRIT!

	13-03-2003 07:05									#14
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If someone gets you peeved and drives you off Theseus, it may be the end of our team.

	13-03-2003 07:16									#15
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The thing is, how many other "nasty-grams" have these people been (or will be) sending out to Elected and Appointed Officials. I have a fairly thick skin and would likely tell them to go and F... themselves, but I'm also not doing something that would tie up my passions and own personal time, especially when there are better things to do.

This will undoubtidly put a very unwanted strain on this game and our team. I would not be surprised if a few more people leave over this thing. I know I might reduce my participation because of it, because why should I work with others that don't really appreciate what I have to bring to this game.

E_T

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	13-03-2003 07:26									#16
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Thanks, Trip.

E-T, I guess my point is that we should (and do, I hope) all appreciate each others contributions (wait till you see what I can do with mixed-unit Armies ).

We should all stick around, and cool off, even when things get a little testy. I will.

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	13-03-2003 08:05									#17
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The thing that puzzles me is why people would send nastygrams over a paper. I could understand it if we were having heated political discussions about, say, Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, i.e. real life, but a paper in a computer game? Some people need a sense of proportion.

	13-03-2003 08:12									#18
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I think we should all treat each other with respect, no matter who we, or they, are. Good ideas will win through.

I think we should all try not to post in the heat of the moment. Back away from the key board for a bit, and come back to it in a calmer manner. As a poster elsewhere I have certainly not lived up to this always, much to my own dismay.

Be that as it may, this is a team. Part of being a team is burying the urge to reply in the heat of the moment. I hope we can all make the adjustment.

	13-03-2003 08:22									#19
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quote: Originally posted by Theseus We should all stick around, and cool off, even when things get a little testy. I will.

But, were you Banana Serious about this?

(in all seriousness - good point.)

	13-03-2003 16:58									#20
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quote: Originally posted by Theseus E-T, I guess my point is that we should (and do, I hope) all appreciate each others contributions (wait till you see what I can do with mixed-unit Armis ).

Theseus, I agree that we all have things that we can contribute to this effort (and hopefully win). THere are times that I will likely completely disagree with a position, but I will post in an open manner, to help persude my oppenent to my point of view (and his supporters) or to allow them to do the same to me (and my supporters) or maybe even reach a compomise solution. But this is all done in an open manner to the public, because I have learned from the SPDG and even here, that I (or even everyone else) don't know everything about this game and there is always something new that we can try to use that will make us stronger.

The use of "nasty-grams", IMVHO, is a low, underhanded practice. It leaves things in the background, out of public eye and it can weight heavily on a persons (the receiver's) well being and enthusiasm. Those two things can be killed quickly with just the wrong words at the wrong time.

This whole matter has left a bad taste in my mouth about this whole game/team. I will wait and see what happens in the next few weeks.

E_T

	13-03-2003 18:19									#21
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Edit: mistake

	13-03-2003 18:59									#22
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Individual contributions are moved by a passionate desire to contribute. The Maps, for instance... Reddawg and his statistics, Shiber studying the complex web of deals, long time before he becomes the FAM... Arnelos and Meshelic building parties, and adding ideological substance to those parties...lots of examples. AND the Jungle Gazette. I’m talking about C3DG events. Non governmental agencies, if you know what I mean...
Individuals are the core of our community, respecting the rules & laws, respecting the other members. Democracy needs individuals making their own roles and projects.

No hard feelings about bigfree, please, but we can't allow this. UnOrthOdOx can’t go. . He's is a legend, a very skilled man, and what he did in the C3DG can't be measured. And I like him.

To bigfree:
I'm sure you're a good guy (a little nervous, maybe... nothing wrong with that), if you permit me to say... no offense, please!
But some of those guys around are great contributors in many fora: strategies, graphics, mods, newspapers, maps (what's wrong with a little advertisement? ), democratic organization, rules and laws, tales, leadership. Could be wise to look for some info before start to fight battles based on 2 or 3 lines posted…
Be cool.

	13-03-2003 20:54									#23
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What's the point in a poll where both options amount to the same thing?

To my knowelege, our civ hasn't discovered any form of religion yet.

	13-03-2003 21:52									#24
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quote: Originally posted by joncnunn What's the point in a poll where both options amount to the same thing?

ah.. Exactly.