13-03-2003 22:49									#1
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The chat will be held at #smacdg on the Apolyton server. As before, please try to turn up early.

	14-03-2003 00:54									#2
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Akirian orders MY 2271 onwards

Requests to the DPO

Please reconsider the worm thread in Akiria. I believe it would be best for the worms to attack us first.
Please design a "10e-1-2*2 Empath, Clean" empath fusion speeder.
Please upgrade the Auroran scout patrol to a "2-3+t-1*2 ECMTrance" ECM Plasma Garrison.

Requests to the DIA

Rush requests:
New Tassagrad energy bank: 96 ec
Aurora empath rover: 20 ec
Total: 116 ec

Build queues:

Aurora
empath rover ("2e-1-2 clean empath" or "8e-1-2*2 empath" - MWIA can decide) (current project)
aerospace complex (this & next new!)
"<8e>-1-8*2 SAM Empath Chaos Rotor"
energy bank
supply speeder

Espirito del Aqua
(no changes)

New Tassagrad
energy bank (current project)
command center (this & next new!)
"10e-1-2*2 Empath, Clean" empath fusion speeder
"10e-1-2*2 Empath, Clean" empath fusion speeder
aerospace complex

Cyclops
supply speeder (current project)
hybrid forest (this and next new!)
hab complex
aerospace complex

Twin Peaks
energy bank
aerospace complex
"<8e>-1-8*2 SAM Empath Chaos Rotor"
aquaformers
centauri preserve

If any build queue has run out, just construct revised formers and supply speeders.

Worker placements

Espirito del Aqua
On request of Hercules, please take over the mining platform W-NW of EdA with an empath.
Put the other empath on a kelp farm & tidal harness tile.
Put the worker on a kelp farmed but UNtidal-harnessed tile (19.103) on a tidal harnessed one.

New Tassagrad
Switch worker (14.110) to (14.108). In other words, S-SE to SE of N-Tass.

Cyclops
Steal the borehole from Xanadu as compensation for the capital offense of constructing the borehole in the first place. In other words, move worker SW-SW to NW-NW.

Twin Peaks
Switch worker NW-NW condenser to S-SE forest.

Supply crawlers

Cyclop supply speeder (10.118) SE of Cyclops, convoying nutrients
-move to (7.121), S-SW-SW of Cyclops
-convoy minerals

Tassadar supply crawler (12.108) SW of N-Tass (NT), convoying minerals
-move to (14.110), S-SE of NT
-convoy minerals

Auroran supply crawler (20.108) SE of Aurora, convoying minerals
-move to (21.109), SE-SE of Aurora
-convoy minerals

Auroran supply crawler (18.110) S-SW of Aurora , convoying minerals
-move one tile SE to (19.111)
-convoy minerals

Cyclop supply speeder under construction
-convoy nutrients on (10.118) SE of Cyc if mind worms are destroyed
-convoy nutrients on (7.119) SW-SW of Cyc if mind worms aren't destroyed

Auroran supply speeder under construction
-if mind worms are destroyed convoy minerals on (20.108) SE of Aur
-if mind worms aren't destroyed convoy minerals on (23.105) E-NE-NE of Aur

Other available tiles: (22.116) or any forested tile outside the radius of N-Tass or Cyclops.

Formers

(20.106): forest (if worms destroy it)
(9.119): forest (if worms destroy it)
(22.116): road, soil enricher, condenser
(26.114): road, soil enricher, condenser
(7.115): road, forest
(12.112): forest, sensor array
(11.113): road, soil enricher, condenser

The magtube network:

Last edited by Maniac on 15-03-2003 at 19:52

	14-03-2003 02:38									#3
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I won't be turning up at all...at least not likely..

Social Engineering
My orders are to follow the result of this poll:
http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...&threadid=80247

In case of a tie, keep the SE settings as they are.

	14-03-2003 04:17									#4
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I'm going to just have to be brief on this one (I'm in a bit of a rush with an assignment ATM), but....

Continue all previous orders from last turn, with the following exceptions.

New Apolyton and Tacticus Academy to comply with MWIA's requests
http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...&threadid=80304

Immediate rushes of the Egregion Rec. Commons and Speeder Crawler

As for the formers, I'll try and be available for the turnchat to direct them myself, but if I'm not, continue building the boreholes as ordered by GT's previous polls.

	14-03-2003 07:36									#5
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Jedinica Vrijstaat orders, MY 2271 onwards

Requests to the DPO
Look over the build orders to see if the unit choices are satisfactory. As is I expect to finish 9-12 copter units and 2 empath rover units in this turnchat, possibly with a little rushing cash to pick up a turn here or there.

Requests to the DIA

Rush requests:
Pandemonium Aerospace Complex: 36ecs (after worker orders are executed)
Sheathed Swordian Centauri Preserve: 84ecs
Valhallan Research Hospital: 154-174ecs (154 for exact, 174 for 10 over)
Total: 274-294 ec

note: since JV's production will be mostly devoted to military units this turnchat, rushing will be kinda expensive... still, if a few mins of rushing will make a turn's difference, please do it. I think MWIA will agree

Build queues
Please follow them exactly. All are changed.

Concordia
Chiroformers (current project, will finish in 1 turn normally)
Clean Fusion 'Copter (10-1-12*2 clean, deep radar) (all these subject to DPO approval, just build what he wants)
Clean Fusion 'Copter (10-1-12*2 clean, deep radar)
Clean Fusion 'Copter (10-1-12*2 clean, deep radar)
Clean Fusion 'Copter (10-1-12*2 clean, deep radar)
Sky Hydroponics Lab
speeder supply

Pandemonium
aerospace complex (current project, please rush with 10 over)
Clean Fusion 'Copter (10-1-12*2 clean, deep radar)
Clean Fusion 'Copter (10-1-12*2 clean, deep radar)
Clean Fusion 'Copter (10-1-12*2 clean, deep radar)
Clean Fusion 'Copter (10-1-12*2 clean, deep radar)
speeder supply
Biology Lab
Sky Hydroponics Lab
speeder supply

Sheathed Sword
centauri preserve (current project, please rush with 10 over)
Clean Empath rover (8-1-2*2 clean, empath), chaos weapon instead of fusion laser to save 20 mins
Clean Empath rover (8-1-2*2 clean, empath)
Clean Empath rover (8-1-2*2 clean, empath)
hybrid forest
aerospace complex

Terminal Dogma
biology lab (current project, will finish in 1 turn normally)
Clean Fusion 'Copter (10-1-12*2 clean, deep radar)
Clean Fusion 'Copter (10-1-12*2 clean, deep radar)
Clean Fusion 'Copter (10-1-12*2 clean, deep radar)
Clean Fusion 'Copter (10-1-12*2 clean, deep radar)
Sky Hydroponics Lab
speeder supply

Valhalla
research hospital (current project, please rush)
Clean Fusion 'Copter (10-1-12*2 clean, deep radar)
Clean Fusion 'Copter (10-1-12*2 clean, deep radar)
Clean Fusion 'Copter (10-1-12*2 clean, deep radar)
Clean Fusion 'Copter (10-1-12*2 clean, deep radar)
speeder supply
Sky Hydroponics Lab

Supply crawlers

No changes, since no new crawlers are scheduled for completion during this turnchat.

Formers

Instead of giving former orders, I'll just give a list of what terraformation I would want in the end, as the list of detailed former orders would become too long now they can too double the work than before. Please tell me when you want the other order format after all. If you want me to make a picture with this list put into symbols on a map of Jedinica, I'll do so.

Updated for already done terraformations.

note: apparently several soil enrichers were forgotten when condensor farms were being constructed, please remedy this
All sea tiles: kelp farm, tidal harness
(14.60) NE-NE of ShSw: road, condenser, soil enricher
(11.67) NW of Pan: soil enricher
(19.65) NE of TeDo: (nut bonus square) replace forest with farm, soil enricher and Condensor
(21.69) SE-SE-SE of TeDo: soil enricher
(20.68) SE-SE of TeDo: road, borehole
(19.69) S-SE of TeDo: road, condenser, soil enricher
(18.70) S-S of TeDo: road, borehole
(17.71) N of Val: condenser
(8.78): (remove fungus), condenser, soil enricher

I want mag tubes on the following squares, when the tech is available:
(12.74) NE of Con
(13.73) NE NE of Con
(15.73) W of Valhalla
(15.71) NW NW of Valhalla
(15.69) E SE of Pan
(13.69) SE of Pan
(12.66) N of Pan
(12.64) S of ShSw
(16.68) SW SW of TeDo
(18.68) S of TeDo
(17.65) NW of TeDo
(17.63) N NW of TeDo (continue north if necessary to link up with Solaris)
(11.77) S of Con (continue south if necessary to link up with Centralis)

edit - as the mag tube network is finished, send most of the JV formers north. Have some of the north-bound ones assist in the forming of Solaris (plant lots of forest, most likely, perhaps help out with the mag tube network there), and most of them proceed north to build the beeeg ol' energy park which I should post plans for soon.

Workers

Pandemonium: put 2 of the engineers to work on the mine square and the forest square (the only two unworked land squares in the radius) to increase mineral production. If there are drone problems from this, convert as many engineers as necessary to empaths.

Thanks.

Last edited by Cedayon on 14-03-2003 at 20:59

	14-03-2003 07:37									#6
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I'm pretty sure I'll be attending this turnchat, btw.

*waiting for rush requests before making DIA orders*

	14-03-2003 16:46									#7
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quote: Originally posted by Archaic Continue all previous orders from last turn, with the following exceptions.

One little problem. All orders are already done, even before the previous turnchat was done.

quote: As for the formers, I'll try and be available for the turnchat to direct them myself,

That would waste LOTS of time.

quote: but if I'm not, continue building the boreholes as ordered by GT's previous polls.

All requested boreholes have been built as well AFAIK.

	14-03-2003 16:49									#8
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Well, I can always do some orders in Archaic's place if he wants - or you could.

	14-03-2003 17:00									#9
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If you'd like to make the orders, go ahead!

	14-03-2003 17:02									#10
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I'll do them tommorow, then (assuming Archaic doesn't post them beforehand). It's a bit late tonight.

	14-03-2003 17:08									#11
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Actually Maniac, I noticed in the save that not all orders were done. Specifically, the orders for the sats. And I'm quite sure there's several boreholes yet to be built, though I admit I may be mistaken. However, since I'm confronted by a computer which can't even run SMAC this weekend (My father's old Pentium 70 on a 56k connection. *Sighs* Figures I'd have to be on it when a turnchat crops up), I suppose I'll have to defer to GT. I was only keeping his seat warm anyway.

* Archaic is a puppet governor. ^^;;

	14-03-2003 17:11									#12
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Even if there are a few remaining boreholes, they won't occupy the formers for the whole chat, particularly not when you consider the number of extra formers being built.

	15-03-2003 03:55									#13
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Twin Sea Preliminary Orders MY 2271-2278

Build Queues

Crystalis (add to existing queue)
Chiroformer
Fusion Speeder Supply
Fusion Speeder Supply

Heaven’s Gate (add to existing queue)
Speeder Supply
Speeder Supply
Energy Bank
Biology Lab
Tree Farms

Mysidia (add to existing queue)
Speeder Supply
Speeder Supply
Chiroformer
Chiroformer

New Suez (no change)

Transcendence Academy (no change)

U.N. Research Complex (no change)

Crawlers

Any newly constructed crawlers are to move to unoccupied forest locations and are to convoy minerals.

If necessary (i.e. no unoccupied forest locations exist in the Twin Sea region) move supply crawlers to unoccupied forest locations outside of the Twin Sea region and convoy minerals, with the permission of the governor of the said region.

Formers

Move formers to squares not already containing forests, and remove fungus (if necessary), plant forests & build roads; except in rocky areas, in which case construct mines and build roads.

For sea formers, plant kelp farms and construct mining platforms to the ocean east of New Suez.

Rush Requests
Please rush ALL supply crawlers that make it to the top of the construction queue in this turn chat which require more than 2 turns to be completed, noting that the energy credit expenditures should not exceed 200 energy credits/per turn.

	15-03-2003 06:36									#14
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PROVISIONAL ORDERS AS OF MY 2271:

Build Queue Orders:

Tacticus Academy:
When AS is developed, insert Orbital Power Transmitter at end of build queue.

Antioch:
Insert Empath Rover at start of build queue.

Worker Placement Orders:
Egregion:
When the base has enough food to do so without starving, turn the last worker into an Empath.

New Apolyton:
Turn 19,23 worker (SESE of NA) into an engineer.

Crawler Orders:
When Egregion crawler is complete, crawl minerals from forest square.

Former Orders:
Move all formers threatened by worms away from the worms as much and as fast as possible.

Continue clearing fungus and planting forest around Egregion, except on 20.84, which should have farm, soil enricher, and solar collector.

Build roads & plant forests everywhere west of TA.

Build mag tubes in accordance with the following plan:



Rush Requests:

2272:
Empath Rover in Antioch for around ~160 ECs (optimal pricing)

2273:
Sky Hydroponics Lab in TA for around ~188 ECs (optimal pricing)

2275:

Sky Hydroponics Lab in NA for around ~150 ECs (optimal pricing)

Total: ~488 ECs.

	15-03-2003 07:39									#15
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Our Holy Emperor, between taking potshots at Yang's military, has drawn up and transmitted the following orders for Aurillion, 2271:

quote: DPO Requests Upgrade Xanadu and UNPD garrisons to 1-4+t-2*2 upon completion of ACS Pizza Force Aurora to support UN Pizza Deliverian Scout patrol stationed there Disband or otherwise deal with scout patrol in Zanarkand Gate Build Queues UNPD ACS Pizza Shard Chopper (13-1-12*2 clean, deep radar...right MWIA?) Empath Chopper (8-1-12*2 clean, empath...right?) Orbital power transmitter Orbital power transmitter IF we don't discover adv spaceflight A boat or infantry, whatever MWIA wants. ZG finish formers research hospital aerospace complex centauri preserve DEM rush reserach hospital (108 EC) Cyborg Factory Xanadu rush fusion lab (60 EC) hab complex research hospital aerospace complex Workers UNPD: -move a worker to the forest that crawler is on. UNMI: -WORK ONLY 4-0-4 TILES No other worker changes needed Crawlers 10,94 UNPD crawler -use to rush cyborg factory Formers (edit, DIA's note: the tile-raising orders are going to have to wait for some discussion, sorry TKG) UNPD and ZG formers: raise 11,97 raise 12,98 raise 13,97 plant forest and road all raised tiles except 14,96 and 12,100 DEM formers -create mag tube network based on image provided. until mage tubes discovered...just build a few roads on forest tiles Xanadu formers: raise 5,113 forest/road new tiles create mag tube network

He also intends to request some facility rushes during the chat, which is fine with me as I'll be there to consider them.

I believe this is all the regions except Solaris. Hopefully Lucky will post his orders soon, if not I'll just do my DIA orders as best I can without them.


edit- I noted that the land-raising orders are going to have to wait until the plan can be properly discussed. Hopefully TKG's formers can find something to do in the meantime

	15-03-2003 08:17									#16
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Here is TKG's magtube plan:

	15-03-2003 10:02									#17
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Oh, btw... Voltaire, do you have plans to construct a mag tube network in Twin Sea?

	15-03-2003 10:33									#18
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Solaris

Build Queues
(If a queue appears, there has been a revision)

Ankh Morpork- empath rover/hab complex/treefarm

Shangri-La- no changes

Metropolis-no changes

Capricorn-no changes

UN Aquaxenobananna-no changes

UN Slippery Ground-no changes

Worker Placements

Ankh Morpork-both empaths into thinkers; at population growth, new citizen is engineer.

Shangri-La- one engineer becomes an empath

Metropolis- new citizen works (20,58) [crawler will move]

Capricorn- no changes

UN Aquaxenobananna- one empath works (28,60)

UN Slippery Ground- no changes

Crawlers

Ankh Morpork- upon completion, crawler moves to (13,79) for minerals

Metropolis- after 3 turns, move crwlr at (20,58) to (15,59) for minerals

Activate crawler at (19,55), move to (15,79) for minerals.

Formers

Chiroformers at (19,57) to (15,59) remove fungus, build mine

Revised formers at (17,51) to (15,53) remove fungus, build mine

Plasma formers at (17,51) to (19,49) build mine then to (17,47) build mine

Rush/Upgrade Requests

Ankh Morpork- no requests


Shangri-La- no requests

Metropolis- rec commons!!

Capricorn- no requests

UN Aquaxenobannana- no requests

UN Slippery Ground- no requests

	15-03-2003 10:44									#19
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Lucky - how much would that Rec Commons rush cost?

	15-03-2003 10:49									#20
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Thanks, Lucky, for getting those orders in.

On to mine...

DIA Orders

All rushes/upgrade requests approved (if they're over 10 mins), since we've got nearly 3000ecs in the bank and make over 850/turn *now* (probably closer to 1000/turn by the end of the chat) ... just make sure to leave enough that we'll have 1000 at the beginning of the next turn.

Unless someone doesn't like the idea, rename the recently conquered Hive base to "U.N. Peace Anchorage".

If new bases are established, use the results the recent base name poll for naming. "DBTSverse Portal" is at the top of the list, I believe

to the mag tube network plans I've seen so far, and presumably to any for Solaris or Twin Sea.

As formers become available (mostly from JV), move them north to construct an energy park, as per Maniac's proposal here, sticking to squares within territory. Please patrol with some military units up there, as there are signs of activity in the fogged area (those mines that weren't there last turnchat), and mass former casualties are bad

Send the colony pod up north too, planting in one of the squares indicated in Maniac's picture in the post linked to above. Probably one of the closer spots for now, until we determine how safe it is to proceed north.

Also, since the newly liberated (and soon to be renamed) "Sea Collective" base has no governor:

-scrap and recycle the perimiter defenses for 25ecs, since the CDF will provide for the defenses.

build queue:
aquaformers (current project)
aquaformers
network node
aquaformers
rec commons
children's creche

In 2 turns, rush the current project (formers) with 10 mins over, and every turn after that rush whatever's up with 10 mins over (unless it costs a fortune for some reason). It's gonna be quite difficult to get anything out of this base for a while, methinks... should we even bother? If not then maybe the rush cash could be spent elsewhere.

In any case, with formers just kelp farm the nearby nut bonus square, and then go with tidal harnesses/mining platforms as seems right.

	15-03-2003 13:43									#21
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Director of Peakkeping Operations orders 2171 onwards

New Designs
-(10e-1-2*2 Empath, Clean) Empath fusion speeder - (request of Akirian Governor Maniac)
-(8e-1-10 Empath) Empath Chaos chopper - (request of Akirian Governor Maniac - upgraded to Chaos from Impact as it is the same min cost)
-(2e-1-2 Empath, Clean) Empath Recon Speeder (or some other name) - (request of DPO)
-(10-1-12*2 clean, deep radar) Clean Fusion 'Copter (request of DPO)
-(8-1-2*2 Clean, Empath) Empath Chaos Rover (to satisfy Jedinica Vrijstaat Governor Cedayon's build queue)

Upgrades
-Upgrade Auroran scout patrol to a (2-3+t-1*2 ECMTrance) ECM Plasma Garrison (Gov Maniac's request)
-Upgrade UNPD garrison to a 1-4+t-1*2 Trance Silksteel Sentinel after ACS Pizza completed (Gov TKG's request)
-Upgrade Xanadu garrison to a Trance Silksteel Sentinel (Gov TKG's request)

Rehome
-Rehome garrison at Aurora to be FROM Aurora (Gov TKG's request)
-All non-Empath Choppers to Egregion and rehome here.

Disband
Scout Patrol in Zanarkand Gate (Gov TKG's request)

Worm threat in Cyclops
-As per Governor's recommendation, do not attack the worms this turn.
Allow worms to do what they will (hopefully attack and lose)
-Move the Crawler SE of Aurora to S-SW-SW pf Aurora as per Governor's orders to convoy minerals


Worm threat W of Tacticus Academy
-Change current build in Tacticus Academy to an Empath Recon Speeder and rush it for

-16 EC if we want no extra minerals carried over for the next build
-56 EC if we want the 10 extra minerals to carry over (estimated)

-Governor GeneralTacticus has ordered an Empath Rover added to the top of the build queue in Antioch. I ask the Commissioner/Governor to make a judgement call on whether this should be an old non-Clean Empath Recon Rover (build in 1 turn without rushing) or a new Clean Empath Chaos Rover (build in 2 turns without rushing). DPO's suggestion is for the Clean Chaos Rover as Antioch is not in immediate threat, and an Empath Rover is being rushed in Tacticus Academy to deal with the Worm threat W of that base.

Builds Not Specifically Mentioned In Governor's Standing Orders

- 1 (2e-1-2 Empath, Clean) Empath Recon Speeder in New Apolyton (request by DPO, granted by Governor Archaic) - uncertain where in the queue this is to be placed

New Troops that will be built this chat and orders for them

Tacticus Academy - (2e-1-2*2 Empath Clean) Empath Recon Speeder - est. 2272
--Attacks worms to E, once successful returns to TacAC and holds

New Tassagrad - 2 (10e-1-2*2 Empath, Clean) Empath fusion speeders - est. 2278, 2281
--First to Cyclops and rehome, hold here. Attacks worms if they are still present
Second holds in New Tass

Cyclops - 2 (8e-1-10 Empath) Empath Chaos choppers - est. 2279, 2281
--1 holds
--1 rehomes, holds at Mysidia

New Apolyton - (2e-1-2*2 Empath Clean) Empath Recon Speeder - ????
--Holds here

Concordia - 4 (10-1-12*2 clean, deep radar) Clean Fusion 'Copters - est. 2281, 2283, 2285, 2287
--To Egregion where they rehome and move on to UN SLippery Ground (UNSG)

Pandemonium - 4 (10-1-12*2 clean, deep radar) Clean Fusion 'Copters - est. 2281, 2283, 2285, 2287
--To Egregion where they rehome and move on to UNSG

Sheathed Sword - 3 (8-1-2*2 clean, empath) Clean Empath rovers - est 2281, 2284, 2287
-- 1holds
-- 1 rehomes, holds at Terminal Dogma
-- 1 rehomes, holds at Metropolis

Terminal Dogma - 4 (10-1-12*2 clean, deep radar) Clean Fusion 'Copters - est. 2281, 2283, 2285, 2287
--To Egregion where they rehome and move on to UNSG

Valhalla - 4 (10-1-12*2 clean, deep radar) Clean Fusion 'Copters - est. 2281, 2283, 2285, 2287
--To Egregion where they rehome and move on to UNSG

UNPD - 1 (10-4-6*2 AAA, Radar) ACS Pizza - est. 2273
--Holds here unless further plans???
1 (10-1-12*2 clean, deep radar) Clean Fusion 'Copter - est. 2275
--To Egregion where it rehomes and moves on to UNSG
1 (8e-1-10 Empath) Empath Chaos chopper - est. 2277
--Holds here
Ankh-Morpork - 1 (2e-1-2*2 Empath) Empath Recon Rover - est. 2276
--Holds here

Antioch - 1 Empath Rover of some description of GT's choice - est. 2274-5
--Holds here unless worm still exists W of TacAC, in which case it takes on the worm, then returns to TacAc to rehome and hold if TacAC has no Empath Rover


Standing Orders
All upgraded garrisons hold in the same base as pre-upgrade.
All non-Empath Choppers to Egregion ASAP and rebase here. Move them to UNSG and attack targets of opportunity not further than two squares from UNSG as per DPO's/Commish's discretion.
Attack worms where possible with strongest closest Empath Rover/Chopper,
Upgrades to clean version of troops are encouraged, specifically the Empath Recon Rover at Ankh-Morpork and Antioch if it is not a clean version.
Also, upgrading the Empath Choppers from UNPD and Cyclops to Clean versions would require the prototyping of a (8e-1-10 Empath, Clean) Clean Empath Chaos chopper first. This and any upgrades to clean versions of the same or similar use unit are approved and should be done wherever energy allows and the Governor concerned is not... concerned.
Upgrading of the Chaos Empath Rovers to Empath Fusion speeders should be done where possible also - this lesser tech unit was requested by Governor Cedayon and is likely the result of some confusion of the DPO's. This upgrade would enable our troops to maintain less of a tech difference meaning greater efficiency in keeping track of prototyped units. This is however no priority.

Notes
The above gives us most of the Choppers we need for attacking the Hive. The next chat I hope to focus on getting the AAA defenders the Hive cities will need when we take them. These will be built and shipped to Egregion, where they will be rehomed and eventually shipped to UNSG. Also next set of turns I hope to get some AAA Cruiser Defenders built, one for the Transports carrying the Silksteel AAA defenders and at least one in the sea N of Capricorn to warn for any Hive/Believer/Spartan attacks from the North. I will also ask for some more Interceptor Needlejets to UNSG, to escort the defensive troops over the sea, to be prepared to disperse amongst new former-Hive bases and at least one in Sea Colective.

Also in place hopefully by the end of the chat this time is a decent Worm defense system of mostly Rovers, but also some Choppers in the south. These orders should place them all reasonably well to cover any worm threat, with an emphasis on the bases closer to larger areas of fungus. If it is felt that there could be a better
placement, by all means adjust things.

I will be in the chat by 2300GMT (around one hour after starting).

	15-03-2003 13:55									#22
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quote: - 1 (2e-1-2 Empath, Clean) Empath Recon Speeder in New Apolyton (request by DPO, granted by Governor Archaic) - uncertain where in the queue this is to be placed

Might as well put it in at the start. I've added it to the orders file. All we need to know now is what techs to research.

	15-03-2003 19:14									#23
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MWIA: are you sure on those time estimates for the choppers in JV? They seem about 8-10 years later than I would expect, since we're in the 2270's not the 2280's.

Also, would you consider keeping a few (2-3) of the choppers in Solaris (or in the new northern base) for "proactive" defense against possible roaming enemy units (as I've mentioned, there are mines up north now that weren't there before, I think someone's been popping pods)?

edit-

GT: just a list of all the bases I know of that will need rushing on the first turn (2271), for reference:

standard rush requests:

New Tassagrad, energy bank, 96ecs
Egregion, rec commons, (cost not given, but it's not yet at 10 mins... and what's the point, we're stagnating the base at 3 specialists anyway, right?)
Pandemonium, aerospace complex, 36ecs
Sheathed Sword, centauri preserve, 84ecs
Valhalla, research hospital, 174ecs
DEM, research hospital, 108ecs
Xanadu, fusion lab, 60ecs
Metropolis, rec commons, (cost not given, I estimate 36-56ecs, depending on desired overrun)

Voltaire's standing "rush all twin sea crawlers, not exceeding 200 ec/turns":
Mysidia's building one, will finish in 1 turn with 6 mins over, if the cost is 3ecs/min you could put 12ecs into it to make it a 10 min overrun.
UNRC is also building one, will finish in 2 turns but a 12ec rush will cut it to 1, go for overrun if you wish.

Archaic's standing "rush anything past 10 mins":
TA, chiroformer, 64ecs to make it 1 turn even
Circular Quay, aquaformer, the 131ec suggestion from the game is as good as any, since the base only produces 6/min a turn

My own suggestion:
Ankh-Morpork is 1 min off of completing its supply crawler in 1 turn (instead of 2), so toss 3ecs in.

If we're still swimming in cash after all that, feel free to suggest some other rushes, since I'll be there to consider them.

Last edited by Cedayon on 15-03-2003 at 19:52

	15-03-2003 19:53									#24
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I'd like to mention I've changed the Akirian build orders. An empath rover is now the first production item in Aurora. I'd like MWIA's opinion though whether I should build a "2e-1-2 empath, clean" or a "8e-1-2*2 empath". These models both cost 50 mins, so they can be finished next turn in Aurora without much rushing.

I've also changed my 4e-1-10 chopper (which costed 30 mins, 50 less than the 8e-1-10 proposed by MWIA ) design to a "<8e>-1-8*2 SAM Empath Chaos Rotor" to prevent pacifism drones.

	15-03-2003 19:56									#25
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quote: Originally posted by Maniac I've also changed my 4e-1-10 chopper (which costed 30 mins, 50 less than the 8e-1-10 proposed by MWIA ) design to a "<8e>-1-8*2 SAM Empath Chaos Rotor" to prevent pacifism drones.

Meaning it's not a clean design?

	15-03-2003 19:59									#26
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Indeed. Way too expensive for the Akirian industry, and it would cause too many drones if they don't get rehomed to Egregion.