14-03-2003 07:30									#1
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So, Bush has had to back off his plans of imminent invasion in order to save the political career of his ally, Blair. Score one for the good guys. Democracy in action, yahoo!

So, now we need to go into overdrive. We've made them falter, now we have to knock them out.

	14-03-2003 07:31									#2
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Saddam's regime will be over soon enough.

	14-03-2003 07:33									#3
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We have to thank the anti-war people in the UK. Good work people.

	14-03-2003 07:36									#4
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While I'd love to see Blair go down in flames, perhaps keeping him off-balance is a better strategy for now. As long as the French veto can cause Blair's government to fall, the US can't unilaterally invade Iraq, unless they're willing to toss their allies to the dogs, which will really hurt America's foreign relations.

	14-03-2003 07:37									#5
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger We have to thank the anti-war people in the UK. Good work people.

Based on this statement, you didn't win anything, the british won it for you.

ACK!

	14-03-2003 07:38									#6
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What makes you think that America has backed off its invasion plans? The anti-war hysteria is making you delusional...

	14-03-2003 07:39									#7
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What was so unreasonable about the UK compromise that France rejected out of hand, btw? I haven't read it, but the summaries I've seen didn't seem to be too outrageous in terms of demands on Iraq.

While a part of me is gleeful at Bush's miserable failings, I also am dismayed because I know he will act unilaterally. He's got too much invested in the war now to just back away from it. I think his masters believe any political damage from a unilateral war could be wiped out by a quick, showy victory, and would be far better than the political fallout of not going to war, which would piss off the right wing to no end.

	14-03-2003 07:42									#8
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quote: What was so unreasonable about the UK compromise that France rejected out of hand, btw?

What behavior have you seen from the French in the past few months that would lead you to believe that they are reasonable? The French are going to veto any resolution that doesn't allow Saddam to stay in power...

	14-03-2003 07:42									#9
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara While I'd love to see Blair go down in flames, perhaps keeping him off-balance is a better strategy for now. As long as the French veto can cause Blair's government to fall, the US can't unilaterally invade Iraq, unless they're willing to toss their allies to the dogs, which will really hurt America's foreign relations.

Since when has the Bush administration given a rat's ass about hurting our foreign relations? They've probably wreaked the most havoc on our international relations than any administration in the history of our country. I think they just don't care. That, and gross incompetence.

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quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten quote: What was so unreasonable about the UK compromise that France rejected out of hand, btw? What behavior have you seen from the French in the past few months that would lead you to believe that they are reasonable? The French are going to veto any resolution that doesn't allow Saddam to stay in power...

I'd like an intelligent answer to my question, not a BAM, thanks dear!

	14-03-2003 07:44									#11
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov What was so unreasonable about the UK compromise that France rejected out of hand, btw? I haven't read it, but the summaries I've seen didn't seem to be too outrageous in terms of demands on Iraq.

Because Saddam is a swell guy and what is really important is that Bush is hurt. Everything else is completely unimportant.

BTW. The UK proposal seemed reasonable to me. So instead of Che talking about the plan, his only concern was Blair going down in flames. Because we all know Blair and Bush are so much worse then Saddam.

	14-03-2003 07:44									#12
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Bush has said all along, and I keep telling you people, with or against.

Che is just eaten up with trying to be some Leader of The People; but the People, by their numbers, don't agree.
Not in the Democratic USA; I can't speak for communist, socialist, or quasi commalists.

	14-03-2003 07:47									#13
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov What was so unreasonable about the UK compromise that France rejected out of hand, btw?

It demanded that Hussein admit that he has bio/chem weapons (which has yet to be proven, even if it is probably true) and that he declare his UAVs, even if they aren't covered by the UNSC resolution. #1 is the clincher though, as it guarantees war, since there's no way Hussein will ever admit it.

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quote: I'd like an intelligent answer to my question, not a BAM, thanks dear!

How were my comments a BAM? The French have said that they will veto any resolution that places a deadline on Iraqi compliance. They want to string the inspections process out once again so they can keep their strategic partner in the Middle East in power. If you don't want to deal with the truth, fine, but don't accuse me of making baseless assertions.

BTW, Iraq has already said that they would not comply with any of the six requirements in the British plan. They must have faith in their UNSC allies...

	14-03-2003 07:49									#15
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quote: Originally posted by SlowwHand Che is just eaten up with trying to be some Leader of The People; but the People, by their numbers, don't agree. Not in the Democratic USA;

The USA ain't a democracy. Nor is it democratic any longer, since we now have our President's appointed. Anyway, with enough time, we can turn the tide of public opinion to our side. That's why Bush wants to do it fast. The more facts come out, the less people support him.

	14-03-2003 07:51									#16
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quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten [QUOTE]How were my comments a BAM?

Just because you sprinkle a few meager facts in among your BAMs doesn't make them less BAMtastic.

This is a fact:

quote: The French have said that they will veto any resolution that places a deadline on Iraqi compliance.

This is a BAM:

quote: They want to string the inspections process out once again so they can keep their strategic partner in the Middle East in power.

And this is just funny!

quote: If you don't want to deal with the truth, fine, but don't accuse me of making baseless assertions.

	14-03-2003 07:53									#17
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Poor Boris. You've lost your mind as well...

	14-03-2003 07:56									#18
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When you imagine Drake saying all his posts in Foghorn Leghorn's voice, it all makes much more sense.

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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov What was so unreasonable about the UK compromise that France rejected out of hand, btw? I haven't read it, but the summaries I've seen didn't seem to be too outrageous in terms of demands on Iraq

They don't want to agree to anything that says "war" because of a not-unreasonable fear that the US will use it to justify action without further consultation, irrespective of Iraq's cooperation or lack thereof.

What's more interesting is that Washington's been opposed to rigidly-defined disarmament goals from the beginning, and doesn't even really support the British proposal.

Tells you something of their actual goals.

	14-03-2003 07:57									#20
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The French have a lot of commercial interests with the Baghdad government. My referring to the O'Chirac reactor as such is only partly a joke - Mirage fighters, etc.

Both France and Russia have large money claims with the Hussein regime, and getting sanctions lifted is about the only way they have a prayer of getting that money, or doing future business.

Nothing is unreasonable in the UK compromise, although allowing Hussein several weeks allows him to delay and evade until the summer, which would be miserable, especially if troops get forced into their MOPP-IVs.

Part of the reason Bush & Co. want such a short trigger is the practical need to **** or get off the pot before the temperature really heats up.

Sloww - Bush is stupid. Slogans don't translate into reality, when we have to kiss the North Korean's asses and hope Iran doesn't get uppity.

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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara It demanded that Hussein admit that he has bio/chem weapons (which has yet to be proven, even if it is probably true) and that he declare his UAVs, even if they aren't covered by the UNSC resolution. #1 is the clincher though, as it guarantees war, since there's no way Hussein will ever admit it.

So basically you are against Hussein being caught in a lie you admit he has probably told and committed? Simply amazing.


I only wished you would have been this motivated against the intervention in Kosovo. What has got you motivated this time I wonder. Is it simply Bush? Is Killing Iraqis any more wrong than killing Serbs? Are you just bored?

	14-03-2003 07:57									#22
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quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten Poor Boris. You've lost your mind as well...

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This is indeed a victory, why don't we all grab our ankles and celebrate.

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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov When you imagine Drake saying all his posts in Foghorn Leghorn's voice, it all makes much more sense.

Now boy, ah say boy, ...

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quote: Originally posted by SlowwHand Not in the Democratic USA; I can't speak for communist, socialist, or quasi commalists.

Domocratic eh? Not when Dubya is pushing something a lot of people is strongly against.

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quote: Now boy, ah say boy, ...

At least I'm not a chickenhawk...

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Nope. Blair is outmanuvering you. For awhile it looked like the UNSC resoultion would fail to get even a majority of the votes required, now Blair is coming up with a scheme that will get us 9 votes for the UNSC and allow us to go with war more support. Bush has been very clear he will go to war unless Saddam starts some drastic reversal; so you guys haven't accomplished anything.

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if disagreeing w/ an inept organization(the UN) hurts foreign relations. then let them be hurt.

and if feminists keep protesting an invasion that would remove from power a dictator in a region known for all but taking a huge steaming dump on woman. I am also not worried.

its all just knee jerk reaction by the left.

	14-03-2003 08:02									#29
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quote: Originally posted by Asher This is indeed a victory, why don't we all grab our ankles and celebrate.

You seem well practiced!

	14-03-2003 08:04									#30
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This thread is about oil! You commies want the oil.