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Barb at 4 from Wbigfree (on the hill).

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New labourer came out on forest.

Actions:

New labourer switches to bonus grassland. Granery in 5.

Worker moves 7 to bonus grass.

Walva moves back to Poly. Fortified.

Wbigfree moves 2. Elucidian Warrior (Arnold) at 4 (on the hill).

Contact made.
We have Alphabet, they do not.
No other techs to trade to them.
We have 41 gold in treasury.

halting turn.

Go get 'em diplomats!

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I think your turn numbering system is a bit off.

Only Alphabet... hmmm. This should make trading very interesting. We even brough a barbarian for them to say hi.

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I think your turn numbering system is a bit off.


To what do you refer?

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To what do you refer?

I'm referring to how you had the thread entitled "Turn 17," then later changed it because you have the power to do so...

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Oh, that. Heh, yeah. That is handy, ain't it?

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I wonder what their Warrior is up to? Maybe they've had a continual barb problem?

Or maybe he is out to do some scouting...

Either way, they know we came from the north, since there's no way we could have come from the south without them seeing us.

Screenshot please.

Edit: Nevermind.

Nice jungle.

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btw, Whale fin 3 3 6 from Wbigfree.

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Better post this here, too.

We get BW in less than 9 turns now. 9 as of now, but we get an extra commerce in 2 turns.

The scale is:
1 commerce to research. 36 turns.
2 commerce to research. 22 turns.
3 commerce to research. 15 turns.
4 commerce to research. 11 turns.
5 commerce to research. 9 turns.

So, we are at worst 44 commerce to BW.

5+5+6+6+6+6+6+6=46 beakers in 8 turns for BW.

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If all they have that we don't is BW, then we're better off finishing it ourselves, and trading Alphabet for something like Iron Working later.

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I hate to say it, but my map instincts are flashing "F-CK.. they got better land then we do."

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Luckily (ha ha) the jungle is so big that they would be foolish to expand to the north if they have good land to the south of them. We will soon see what they have though, thanks to our scouting.

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Waiting for a diplomat...

Should I put Alphabet on the table without accepting and move the turn on?

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Waiting for a diplomat...

Should I put Alphabet on the table without accepting and move the turn on?


Diplomat here. We should not put
Alphabet on the table just yet, I need to contact their team's ambassador first. I will get back to you as soon as I do.

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Waiting for a diplomat...

Should I put Alphabet on the table without accepting and move the turn on?

Bigfree is on.

If it were up to me, I wouldn't offer anything, but send the turn along, and make sure that our note got to them before they played their turn. At this point, showing that we're willing to offer Alphabet is like using your trump card early. It would be showing them "hey, this is all we got," and they would know that they could offer us crap for it since that's all we have. Of course, if that happens, we won't trade, but they don't know that. It would ruin our chances of sustaining diplomatic favor over them.

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Right, on with the turn.

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Do not offer Alphabet.

Contact is made. We should immediately make email contact. Let bigfree1 begin negotiations to try to buy the remainder of BW from them if they'll give us a good price. We should then begin negotiations to give Alphabet for some other tech down the line.

--Togas

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Do not offer Alphabet.

Contact is made. We should immediately make email contact. Let bigfree1 begin negotiations to try to buy the remainder of BW from them if they'll give us a good price. We should then begin negotiations to give Alphabet for some other tech down the line.

--Togas


I've sent Kentonio (President) a request for contact information to his regular e-mail and I've signed up for an account at the CDG site and sent him a PM requesting the same. I have to wait till he puts me in touch with their Ambassador to Apolyton. Who knows, they may not have decided who that would be yet and are scrambling to get that together, we shall have to wait and see.

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Turn is gone. Should be back to us in less than 24 hours. Usually.

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They will see we only have Alphabet anyways. Did we note whether any techs other than BW took a dip with contact?

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They will see we only have Alphabet anyways. Did we note whether any techs other than BW took a dip with contact?

Unless they have other techs that we don't, they won't be able to tell what we have.

Edit: Actually, using the method they could do the same as us, which my mind ignored for some reason...

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None dipped.

Math and Writing: 39
The Wheel: 20
Warrior Code: 15
Ceremonial Burial: 10

both before and after contact.

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Well it seems pretty sure that they are headed for IW.

I will make the proposal that we get BW now and IW plus future tech considerations (since we are so close to getting BW ourselves) for Alphabet.

The considerations should be considered as at least 1 tech value point in our favor during the next trade which could be our giving them Writing in exchange for them researching and giving us CB and WC and The Wheel.

Which would be our 8(for Writting)+1(for earlier tech considerations)=9

Their's 2(CB)+3(WC)+4(The Wheel)=9

Sounds like a fair trade all the way around, well except for us getting BW and IW for Alphabet; I just have to make it sound like we have BW in the bag and that trading IW for Alphabet is in their favor.

Ok, can anyone tell me an argument I can use to convince them of this?

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BW + IW + something else for Alphabet?

What makes you think that they would accept that deal?

I think it may be best to offer them money now for BW, then Alphabet for IW. If there are more teams to the south (as Togas and I predict), then they can probably get Alphabet elsewhere. It's better to make any trade at all, than negotiating for a better trade that they won't accept.

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You are right, I was forgeting my earlier thoughts of including cash in the deal. I was to offer 10-25 gold to them for letting us finnish BW early and that would let us get to work on Writing which would benefit both of us greatly. From this standpoint the trade of Alphabet for IW isn't so absurd.

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I would suggest probing at first. I would not want to appear too eager, if I were playing this alone.

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Oh definately; I'm just trying to get a feel for what may be finnally offered from both teams. I will let them make the 'offer's' first. I will take the stance that we both know that we have Alphabet and feel that we are in the driver's seat with that tech on our side and the fact that we a soooo close to geting BW for ourselves. Of course I won't be so cocky about, rather non-chalant at the prospect of getting BW a little earlier than expected and of having Alphabet in our pocket and willing to negotiate trades that would benefit us both.

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Excellent. Carry on.

I hope you and they have enough time to trade multiple emails in the next 24 hours.

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I hope so too, though I'm going to try to set up a chat if at all possible. I thought of using the boards either here or at CDG, but there could be other teams lurking about and learning our business.

What if we asked MarkG to set-up a few more Private Forums for the express purpose of Ambassadorial communications? We could have one for each team and we'd admit up to two members form the other team to conduct talks with us here. We could allow access to this forum by all of our team member's but only the FM, the Ambassador or his assistant could post there.

I think this would be great. What are the chances that MarkG would do something like this for us?

 
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