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Alexander's Horse is offline Alexander's Horse
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I'm really really surprised this word, which describes the extreme nationalism and militarism which drove the European colonial expansion in the late nineteenth century, ending in the tragic slaughter of World War I, is making a comeback.

One would have thought the carnage of the 20th century would have put the sentiment to bed permanently, at least in Western countries. It did for a long time. The word used to be an insult but in some quarters it seems now quite okay to be jingoistic.

Here is the Cambridge Dictionary definition:

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jingoism
noun [U]

the extreme belief that your own country is always best, which is often shown in enthusiastic support for a war against another country

Patriotism can turn into jingoism and intolerance very quickly.

jingoist
noun [C]

He was a confirmed jingoist and would frequently speak about the dangers of Britain forming closer ties with the rest of Europe.

jingoistic
adjective

In wartime, newspapers tend to become jingoistic.
There were great celebrations and plenty of jingoistic flag-waving when the first troops returned from the war.



The term Jingoism came into use after a music-hall song by G. W. Hunt became popular. The song appeared in music halls at the time of the Russo-Turkish War (1877-8), when anti-Russian feeling ran high in Britain and Disraeli (the British Prime Minister of the day) ordered the Mediterranean fleet to Constantinople. The Russophobes became known as Jingoes, and any belligerent patriotism has been labelled jingoism ever since. Here is the relevant verse of Hunt's music hall song:

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We don't want to fight,
But by Jingo if we do,
We've got the ships,
We've got the men,
And got the money too.
We've fought the Bear before,
And while we're Britons true,
The Russians shall not have Constantinople.



As I mentioned earlier jingoism reached its height before World War I - particularly during the Boer and Zulu Wars in Britain's case. The sentiment was completely discredited in the popular imagination by World War I. The public, in their grief at war losses, turned on those who enthusiastically sent young men to their death by the million. Those who were seen to have glorified war came to be known after the war in Britain as "Colonel Blimps", best skewered by Siegfried Sassoon, a war hero, in his 1918 poem "Base Details":

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Base Details

If I were fierce, and bald, and short of breath,
I’d live with scarlet Majors at the Base,
And speed glum heroes up the line to death.
You’d see me with my puffy petulant face,
Guzzling and gulping in the best hotel, 5
Reading the Roll of Honour. ‘Poor young chap,’
I’d say—‘I used to know his father well;
Yes, we’ve lost heavily in this last scrap.’

And when the war is done and youth stone dead,
I’d toddle safely home and die—in bed. 10



It was a grave insult to be called a Blimp after World War I.

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Terry Pratchett wrote a book named Jingo. Good satire.

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I have proof my country is best.

where is it, I left it around here somewhere...

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Where have you seen examples proving that the word Jingoism is making a come-back? Could you give some links?
Or are you only talking about the phenomenon Jingoism?


We don't want to fight,
But by Jingo if we do,
We've got the ships,
We've got the men,
And got the money too.
We've fought the Bear before,
And while we're Britons true,
The Russians shall not have Constantinople.

Nice song!

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(sung to the children's tune "Bingo")

Our favourite moron had a war,
Cause Jingo was his game-o !
J-I-N-G-O. J-I-N-G-O. J-I-N-G-O.
Cause Jingo was his game-o !

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Ah, so nations like Australia that are going to war on the coalition side are jingoist....

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No, Australians believe the U.S. is the best country as well.

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Jingoism is part of the group-think propaganda, isn't it?

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Where have you seen examples proving that the word Jingoism is making a come-back? Could you give some links?



Just look around this forum. Plenty of Colonel Blimps. Some surprise me greatly.

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We've got the ships,
We've got the men,
And got the money too.



Written when Britain was the world's sole global superpower.

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Good thread AH
It's suprising how jingoism is similar today with 130 years ago. "We've got the ships - we've got the men - and got the money too". I think I've already read this on this board

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I always thought the term "jingoism" had something to do with the Japanese and their legendary Empress Jingo. Anyone know where that British songwriter got the word "jingo" from?

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I haven't met a single American who wants to go to war "because we can." Very few want to go to war "because Bush said so." Agreeing with the prez on war is different from jingoism.

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I always thought the term "jingoism" had something to do with the Japanese and their legendary Empress Jingo. Anyone know where that British songwriter got the word "jingo" from?


"Jingo" was a word associated with medieval conjurers and showman. It meant "By magic", used in a show like "hey presto!".

It was thought to be a substitute word for "By Jesus" i.e. a non blasphemous exclamation or for emphasis - i.e. "I'll do it by jingo!" I've heard it used like that, particularly by older Australians.

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According to dictionary.com:
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From the phrase by jingo, used in the refrain of a bellicose 19th-century English music-hall song, from alteration of Jesus.

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"Jingo" was a word associated with medieval conjurers and showman. It meant "By magic", used in a show like "hey presto!". It was thought to be a substitute word for "By Jesus" i.e. a non blasphemous exclamation or fr emphasis - i.e. "I'll do it by jingo!" I've heard it used like that, particularly by older Australians.


Very interesting. It's good to see something useful come out of this troll...

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You have too much time on your hands, AH. America RULZ, youse DROOLZ!

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Yes, there was a time when the British thought that way too - the Empire on which the Sun would never set

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Yes, there was a time when the British thought that way too - the Empire on which the Sun would never set


We don't need to worry about the setting sun. We have superior night vision gear.

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Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
Very interesting. It's good to see something useful come out of this troll...


Its not a phenomenon confined to one country. Ordinary Chinese people got very bellicose when their embassy in Belgrade got hit with a cruise missile.

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I wouldn't blame increased Chinese nationalism on the Belgrade embassy incident. The leaders of China are deliberately stoking the fires of nationalism in order to provide an ideology to hold the country together now that communism has been abandoned.

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So, what's it called when you think a country other than your's is the best?

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I'm not blaming it on that either Drake.

There's just a very ugly "my country right or wrong" mood abroad. And its depressing to watch the youngsters take it up.

I'm not looking forward to 5 or 10 or 20 years of this sh*t. I actually remember the Cold War. We had 10 good years and now all the old stupidity is coming back.

Sadly, the only cure for jingoism once it takes hold seems to be a large loss of life.

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So, what's it called when you think a country other than your's is the best?


Being an honest non-American?

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Why did you automatically assume I was refering to America?

I've always quite admired the French myself...

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We have the maxim gun
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Ah, the Maxim gun maxim. One of my favorites.

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I'm not looking forward to 5 or 10 or 20 years of this sh*t.


Neither am I. East Asia, in particular, is going to be a tinderbox because of it...

quote:
Sadly, the only cure for jingoism once it takes hold seems to be a large loss of life.


I hope you're wrong. I don't think so, but I hope...

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Its not a phenomenon confined to one country. Ordinary Chinese people got very bellicose when their embassy in Belgrade got hit with a cruise missile.


I am sure the Aussies will get upset too if one of their embassies got hit by cruise missiles. Mind you, it wasn't just one.

Got worse when the lame "outdated map" excuse came out.

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I am sure the Aussies will get upset too if one of their embassies got hit by cruise missiles. Mind you, it wasn't just one.

Got worse when the lame "outdated map" excuse came out.


So why did we bomb your embassy?

 
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