20-03-2003 07:57									#1
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To be edited by the Consuls and Ministers.

Status:
- Researching Bronze Working at 100%, ready in 6 turns.
- 41 gold cash, 0 gpt.

Urgent questions:

Military:
Bigree the Warrior stands pat turn 2
Alva the Warrior fortified in Apolyton. reacts to CDG Wmorris?

Economy:

Diplomacy:
we have a deal with CDG.

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Discussion and basic reporting to follow. See the topped thread for comprehensive results.

Last edited by vondrack on 20-03-2003 at 21:39

	20-03-2003 20:53									#2
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Wmorris is going to screw up our terraforming efforts, since we'll need to protect the Worker. Somehow we need to calmly requestl that CDG get him away from our borders immediately.


Dominae

	20-03-2003 21:15									#3
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How about we try the RP "land Claiming" scheme?

	20-03-2003 21:49									#4
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I would wait for the Turn 22 save and act depending upon where CDG moves their warrior to. If they head away from Apolyton, let's forget it. If they come closer, stay alert, remain silent, and move Wbigfree W on Turn 23 and SW on Turn 24.

The treaty does not prevent either side from scouting around cultural borders. If they do start sniffing around Apolyton, let's start sniffing around Elucidia, too. They will either withdraw (we withdraw, too, getting a nice picture of their capital) or come to talk to us (and we calmly explain that we are now very careful to let them set what is acceptable and what is not... and thus consider Wmorris' route an obvious indication of that they do not mind having a peek at the other side's capital. Wbigfree will be generally heading South... and as the treaty does not precisely specify his route, they will hardly be able to accuse us of breaching it).

	20-03-2003 21:54									#5
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I thought the treaty states that Wbigfree cannot move at all for 2 turns.


Dominae

	20-03-2003 21:57									#6
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quote: Originally posted by Dominae I thought the treaty states that Wbigfree cannot move at all for 2 turns.

That's correct - and that's why I was specifically putting in the turn numbers. Turn 23 is the first turn he will be allowed to move without breaking the treaty.

	20-03-2003 22:10									#7
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quote: Originally posted by donegeal How about we try the RP "land Claiming" scheme?

The "scheme" (which it isn't, it's just a bargained-for-exchange of interests) only works if we have something they want.

We could, for example, trade them Alphabet for BW (which I wouldn't recommend, anyhow) SO LONG AS they agree to move their warrior(s) south of the no-settlement line. However, knowing these guys they'd only agree if we agreed to not scout south of the line, something we don't want to agree to.

All in all, I don't see any realistic or favorable options. The ploy they used -- outright threats -- is not a ploy we're prepared to use and they know it. We've demonstrated our weakness in the recent negotiations and we're going to have to suck it up for a while until we can return to the bargaining table with a legitamately stronger position.

--Togas

	21-03-2003 00:09									#8
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I agree with Togas. They indeed do feel they got the better of us in negotiations. They threatened and we backed down. It's that simple. It won't be the same in the next round. Maybe we won't threaten them, but we won't back down either.

	21-03-2003 03:52									#9
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"Our ambassadors to the Persians have been counseling war." Foreign Minister Togas respectfully approached Emperor Markos, seated on his iron throne.
"And Consul Vondrack is one of the major proponents of the idea. He seeks revenge on them for their betrayal and lies." Togas continued.
"But, it is only fair to warn you that our Minister of the Interior, Dominae wishes to remind you that we are not ready for war."

"I think we should open this discussion to the people." Togas continued, bowing low. "Their will must decide the future of our nation or our nation may cease to exist."
"It is always something, is it not." Emperor Markos frowned.
"First the destruction of BetaHound, then the stand of bigfree against the barbarians, then the betrayal of the Persians and now the meeting with these "Gamecatcheese" How can we trust any of them?"
"We cannot." Togas stated, brushing his blue toga back. "But we must be prepared for any possible threat of war. I have already heard the preliminary discussions about upgrades to swordsman."

"But what about the archers." Markos waved his hand in askance.

"MY LIEGE!" The large wooden doors to Markos' audience chamber flung wide open as a disgusted Minister of War stormed into the room.
"My Liege- I implore you- listen not to this man-" His arm flung back, pointing behind him to the open-flung door.
No man materialized.

"What are you speaking about." Markos glared at the rude Minister.
"My Liege," Trip went to his knees. "This man, this consul recommends danger."

"What danger does he reccomend, and who is it."

"You barbarian-fiend." Consul Vondrack strode coldly into the chamber. "You have no manners." He regarded Trip with a disdainful stare, then turned to Markos.
"Emperor Markos," He spoke. "We have good reason to believe that it would be best if we would research Warrior Code next, after Bronze Working- we must think about defending our cities and perhaps spend a few coins to speed this research."

"He recommends folly!" Trip screamed. "My men will die because of his misdirection!"

"Now really," Markos glared at Trip. "Archery has its advantages."

"But it is a useless unit!" Trip demanded. "Minister Dominae, despite opposing me in my stance toward war with traitors, supports me in this. Believe me- I am a fighting man- archery is useless."

"But it is tradeable!" Vondrack declared, flourishing his hands. "We can get the Gamecatcheese on our side. They will become our allies against these damned Persians.
"I see many benefits in researching Warrior Code."

"What about their Immortals?" Markos asked, suddenly swiveling to face his foreign Minister again.

"Do they have them yet?" Trip asked pointedly.

"No, but we believe they are nearing a breakthrough." Foreign Minister Togas replied evenly.

"Lousy backstabbers." Trip slammed a fist into his free hand.

*

"No settlement south of the Parallel... This sounds mighty suspicious." Consul Vondrack poured over Togas' recent agreement with the Persians.
"No movement of our troops... And yet they have a warrior, Morris, very near our capital. How interesting." Vondrack tapped his hand on the oaken table, then rose, gestured for a servant to come over and whispered in his ear.

Minutes later, Ninot arrived.

"Ah, Consul-" Vondrack smiled as Ninot entered.
"Consul," Ninot replied, nodding his head slightly, then looking around the room. "I have not been so lucky as to be invited here in the past."

"Oh," Vondrack shrugged. "We must truly change that, no... Come, sit down." He gestured toward a padded seat.
Ninot sat. Vondrack stood and picked up the treaty papers. "You know what this is called." He pointed to the papers.

Ninot peered forward. "Treaty papers?" He asked innocently.

"Appeasement papers." Vondrack frowned, thrashing the papers wildly about in the air.
"You know what backstabbers think of appeasement?" He asked.
Ninot shook his head.
Vondrack made a cutting motion across his throat with his index finger.
"Think on that." He said, setting the paper down on the table.

Ninot stared dubiously at Vondrack for a moment.

"You may leave." Vondrack declared, his voice suddenly full of steel.

Ninot got up, nodded good day to Vondrack and left.

Vondrack watched him leave, then approached the treaty and shredded it.
"This is say to kentonio of the Persians and our Ambassadors." He threw the pieces to the ground and spat on them.

	21-03-2003 03:53									#10
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Is bigfree1 on everyone's ignore list for some strange reason? Did he do a namechange?

	21-03-2003 03:57									#11
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Yep. He changed his nick, causing his posts to be one click further away than you're used to.

	21-03-2003 04:08									#12
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What's his username now?

	21-03-2003 06:11									#13
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BigFree

Sorry for the inconvienence guys, won't happen again.

	21-03-2003 17:46									#14
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& @ the History Tale

I wonder what is it that I am doing, which makes DarkCloud portray me the way he does, though?

But anyway, great story, DarkCloud! I am happy to serve whatever story purpose you need me to.

	21-03-2003 20:20									#15
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I was wondering if the Consuls are seriously considering the Warrior Code and Archer defense strategy. Please let me know, as I have not tested it as of yet.


Dominae

	22-03-2003 04:45									#16
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Well Dominae, the story consuls are

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Glad you enjoy the tale

It's nothing personal vondrack- I need 'semi-villians'
at least you are the competent villian and not the humorous one "notyoueither"... but don't worry, I'll portray you and notyoueither in a good light eventually... you are consuls, are you not

I just need some source of conflict before the wars begin and inner dissention makes the best conflict.

and anyways- vondrack is an evil sounding name

...and notyoueither is canadian (If he's ever played Baldurs Gate I, I am sort of basing him on the character Xzar )

And always remember- I had Markos call DarkCloud an "idiot" I'm equal opportunity!

	25-03-2003 07:46									#17
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Vondrack- you see, I based everone's characters either on what I knew about the person or on what I saw their username projecting.

for you, I saw your username projecting a cool, calm, competent demeanor- but I also saw it projecting a dark and troubled man...

That's where your character came from

the others came from their usernames as well