20-03-2003 21:47									#1
	Nominations For Marshal Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations: Deluxe Edition

Well, FMK is gone for good it seems, and his proposed successor isn't willing, we need to start all over again. Nominate yourself for the position of Marshal. It really shouldn't be as hard of a job as people think, you need to have coordination skills more than anything else in my opinion. That and you need to be able to pick good commanders of the front.

I'd like to leave Henrik in charge when i go on spring break this next week. If only one person wants the job give it to him. If two want the job, hold a 3 day election. But that's just my opinion.

So nominate yourselves for marshal. I know there are several hopeful front commanders out there who were bragging about their skills at Red Front, step forward!

	20-03-2003 22:36									#2
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fmk is away? what a pity we had a carismatic leader.
I don't think I'm good enough to be marshall but guys, we need one soon!!

	21-03-2003 03:45									#3
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Are you sure FMK is u/s I would have thought he would post an apology if he was unavailable?

As I see it the Marsal will co-ordinate the game but not take moves, I think this is what is turning some people off. How about giving the marshall a small role say in managaging the partisans.

As for the front commanders please post your renewed interest here so we can see who is still activelty interested and the marshal should consider giving every vollenteer a command of some sort.

If within say 48 hours the person doesn't post their move its given to the nearest other commander. After a while i'm sure the numbers will drop but it would make selection fair rather than mate(s) of the Marshall.

Colwyn requests a command along the black sea cities.

	21-03-2003 03:56									#4
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I mentioned I would like to control the north-west front near Kalinin, etc.

I will nominate myself for marshal BUT ONLY if no one more qualified can be found. And I'm only doing make sure the Democracy game doesn't die

Edit: we could institute the CEC as I suggested in the main thread and that might help deal with this better.

	21-03-2003 04:27									#5
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quote: Originally posted by Colwyn Are you sure FMK is u/s I would have thought he would post an apology if he was unavailable?

I've talked with him personally, he has completely given up on civ

quote: As for the front commanders please post your renewed interest here so we can see who is still activelty interested and the marshal should consider giving every vollenteer a command of some sort.

How about NOT? this thread is for nominating marshals, when we have one he can select from those who have already said they are willing.

quote: If within say 48 hours the person doesn't post their move its given to the nearest other commander. After a while i'm sure the numbers will drop but it would make selection fair rather than mate(s) of the Marshall.

All the sudden you're in charge?

	21-03-2003 05:25									#6
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quote: Originally posted by H Tower I've talked with him personally, he has completely given up on civ How about NOT? this thread is for nominating marshals, when we have one he can select from those who have already said they are willing. All the sudden you're in charge?

H, a lot of us are shocked/surprised that FMK would absent himself so suddenly. He had been one of the major driving forces (if not THE major force) in getting this game started.

I don't want to see the game die, but I am in no way qualified to be more than a citizen at this point. In any event, if YOU are in charge, or modding this game in any event, please say so. Otherwise people will start interjecting suggestions like Colwyn did, and I'm doing now.

Right now I'm pretty confused as to where the game goes next.

	21-03-2003 05:32									#7
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quote: Originally posted by Six Thousand Year Old Man H, a lot of us are shocked/surprised that FMK would absent himself so suddenly. He had been one of the major driving forces (if not THE major force) in getting this game started.

none more so than I

quote: In any event, if YOU are in charge, or modding this game in any event, please say so.

While I am mod, I would expect anyone else to respond the same way I did. Threadjacking

quote: Otherwise people will start interjecting suggestions like Colwyn did, and I'm doing now.

i thought we had already figured out how play was going to go. why change it before it has even begun?

	21-03-2003 05:46									#8
	Not so comradely HT Support Apolyton

I was just posting my views no need to attack me over it and get worked up about so called "thread jacking".

I agree with 3000yo there was confusion and a comment made by you re going too. As people will read that post I wanted to show that I was still commited to help out and thought it would be helpfull for people to show their continued support in the game in the same thread as all the bad news.

I had no idea that you were any more snr in this project than the rest of us.

	21-03-2003 06:04									#9
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quote: Originally posted by Colwyn I had no idea that you were any more snr in this project than the rest of us.

i don't like to bethought of as above anyone else, but it seems people have put me up there. remember this thread where everyone was talking about how FMK and I got this game off the ground? http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...&threadid=80405

I'm not attacking you, I'm just a bit peeved right now that FMK walked out on us. so let me apologize, I didn't mean to take it out on you.

	21-03-2003 06:19									#10
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HTower-

We accepted you as mod, so if anybody has problems, they've had their chance to discuss them.

As for FMK?

I'll say that I'm still active, still enjoying civ2. I want to get a crack at this game, which is why I volunteered for one of the fronts.

I'll go wherever the Marshal puts me, though I do not feel qualified to take on the position myself, especially since I have never played 'RED FRONT' before.

	21-03-2003 06:22									#11
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I throw my hat into the ring only as a last resort if no marshal can be found.

H Tower: would you be willing to take up the marshalship? I would support you and help with anything you need to make things run more smoothly

	21-03-2003 06:30									#12
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normally I would volunteer for the position, even though I have little to no experience with the scenario, but I'm leaving for spring break tommorow afternoon and will be gone for 9 days, not returning until the 30th

	21-03-2003 07:00									#13
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Fabulous, well, is this supposed to be representative of Stalin's shock?

	21-03-2003 07:06									#14
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If we have a Marshal or many Generals with little/no experience with the scenario, we could be in trouble. We have to do a lot of selling and rushbuying in the right places, and husband the units you do have so that they're not wiped out in the initial German attack. At least, that's the approach I took after my earliest RF games went VERY badly

I don't want to deter anyone from nominating themselves, but I for one would like to see a steady hand to guide us during the early part of the game. I'd like to see a Marshal who could give advice/tips to front commanders who seek it. I'd like to see a Marshal who has been successful at RF, so when we're getting creamed (and we will at the start), he can offer meaningful suggestions as to how to recover the situation.

My 2 cents. As I stated, I have played RF before, but haven't finished it, so I am by no means qualified to be Marshal.

Perhaps the nominees could give us an idea of their RF experience... or how they will approach the role?

@H - I know you have put a lot into this game. We're all readjusting here, and I didn't mean to come across as trying to challenge you. My apologies.

	21-03-2003 07:06									#15
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Thanks for the update and clarification HT, i'm glad your only gone for 9 days (I thought spring break mean't all of spring!)

I propose HT as the Mashall and whoever he thinks should be his dep when he's away esp if Henrik's not availablea(not determined yet)

As for the marshal's experience I think we will manage if we have some experienced stavka reps offering advice to the marshal. This could be what Anzec, I and others offer in additional support. Maybe this would cover some of Y2000mans valid points.

I have played and done a lot of Mod work with Redfront including creating a RF1.5 (much harder) so I'm happy to take on some responsibilities if so selected by the marshall.

Last edited by Colwyn on 21-03-2003 at 07:53

	21-03-2003 16:40									#16
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if nobody else wants to be the marshall i can take it, but i prefer a more experience player to take the marshal
I'm doing this because I don't want this game to die

does Henrik want to be the marshall??

that about fmk it is very VERY weird, but everybody has his own life so...

	21-03-2003 16:45									#17
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i see that henrik doesn´t want to be the marshall

	22-03-2003 07:15									#18
	I guess I'm like the other will do it if I have too but Support Apolyton, buy Civilization III: Complete

If get to share the role with someone else from time to time and that I can still command a millitary command i'll be raring to go.

	23-03-2003 14:23									#19
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Ok, so far we have two nominees then:
Anzac and Shaka (possibly Colwyn?)

Anyone else?

	24-03-2003 03:47									#20
	Formation of Stavka to share Marshal job! Help yourself to an AD-FREE life

Ok its obvious that no one realy wants the full time job of being the Marshal, it will involve a lot of organising and emailing of the participants to keep the game flowing. And under current rules the marshal was not going to be given a command!

We have 3/4 people so far however who are willing to take the roll on part time and as such some of us have discussed the formation of the Stavka for up to 5 people who effectively become the organisors of the game and also elect from their numbers a current Marshal.

If it is ok by the nominatee's, members of the forum and HT I offer up the current nomination to be on the Stavka :

Hightower
Anzac
Shaka Naldur
Colwyn
and one other!

Or if more people are interested we may need to vote?

I really think this is the only way it will work long term as if we keep having to re-elect a marshal from scratch or wonder what to do when he/she is absent the game will founder.

The advantage of our Stavka idea is that any one of them can back the marshal up in the event of any delay at his/her end. ie once the turn rules and procedures are set you only need at least one person in the Stavka to be "active" per day and not one marshal every day for the year say.

Further more what do the nominators think about allowing the marshal having a front command? Stavka reps can still be commanders/ministers but the marshal?

Personally I say yes b/c you need some reward after all that work and for me it would be playing a command.

I only bring this up b/c we are foundering on the Marshal, not any other aspect of the game that has already been decided. Many people have emailed me re this idea so you better back me up now that I've posted it. If not you may find yourself in a Gulag, or will I?

	24-03-2003 04:07									#21
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I support STAVKA and hopefully it will help us to get this game underway.

yes, I put myself up for nomination

it would take the burden off the marshal since no one here wants to take the full onus of it.

	24-03-2003 05:20									#22
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Sounds like a good idea to me. I support the formation of STAVKA.

	26-03-2003 03:35									#23
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If the nominated Stavka can finalise the rules and ok the change to allow the marshall a command. ie in History Marshal Zhukov did command various fronts as needed.

Hightower will be back in approx 2 days (can you confirm henrik) so we'll be able to finalise this proposal.

Anyone else wants to be on the stavka 1 position left!

Noiminations close this Friday, no voting needed if we don't get more than 5 nominations.

	26-03-2003 10:39									#24
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About the marshal being given a front command:
The marshall is the one who gives everyone their reinforcements, if he himself has one of the fronts, then it's going to be hard for him to be impartial, it's invetable that his own front will in one way or another benefit fromt he fact that he is the one who decides when reinforcements come, he'll also almost allways be able to get reinforcements while others may have to wait several turns as other fronts takes precedence...

The marshall allready gets to controll the partisans, I think that'll be enough really.

Hightower has asked me to hold elections in his absence, however I think we should have a vote on weter everyone supports your stavka idea or not before electing you marshal.

Oh and to anyone who becomes marshal/is placed on the stavka, I still want the baltic front

	26-03-2003 11:03									#25
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Yes there could be a bit of a conflict of interest, but it seems the only way to get someone(stavka) to take on this role over the long term. Didn't Zhukov do the same?

However I have posted a new thread on what real time turn lengths we have, if we keep it strict then the Marshal could assume to get the occaioanal backup command when a commander does not take their turn on the day I supose.

This is assumming we go with that idea also.

Though if instead of a command the marshall gets the NKVD and navy as well as the partisans then i'd be happy for that compromise and maybe others.

As you said we should vote on all these ideas and get the aye's to say whether they are prepared to be marshal if they are part of the ayes that win. (there might be a few options but it should cover peoples ideas/conditions for being marshal.

	27-03-2003 03:10									#26
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Well, no one has objected to STAVKA and the marshal would be chosen by STAVKA, so I guess it's fair game to say once we get he 5th slot filled STAVKA is in existence?

Also, I think that the marshal will not be pigheaded enough to focus on his front alone. And if so, STAVKA is the group that appoints the marshal, so we have a check there.

	27-03-2003 03:14									#27
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quote: Originally posted by The ANZAC Also, I think that the marshal will not be pigheaded enough to focus on his front alone. And if so, STAVKA is the group that appoints the marshal, so we have a check there.

Plus, in the real world, STAVKA didn't worry about allocating reinforcements in a 'fair' way. And generals hijacked supply convoys ... etc.

	27-03-2003 03:18									#28
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We need one more nomination and you just posted so unless you want to go to the Gulags join us in our proposal.

Stavka is not hard just requires common sense, some loyalty and the ability to be active on the forum.

PS I find it weird that its Thurday morning for me and for you is Wednesday evening!

	27-03-2003 03:27									#29
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quote: Originally posted by Colwyn We need one more nomination and you just posted so unless you want to go to the Gulags join us in our proposal.

Uhhhhhhhh... ..okay.....

So long as I'm not expected to play I have a lot of succession game experience, but relatively little RF experience. And even less successful RF experience

	27-03-2003 03:35									#30
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Thanks, I don't see not playing as a problem in fact it would be good to have a non RF expert in Stavka, succession XP is even better!

You may even curb some ambicious ideas by the stavka too as there are some high risk manoveurs you can do in the game to get way ahead but if they fail it really puts you back a bit.