22-03-2003 07:26									#91
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I searched Google News for every recent article on SCUDS. Right up until 20 minutes ago the latest articles are unsure whether these were SCUDS.

Add to that the irrationality of using SCUDS for this purpose and I think more evidence is required.

Anyway, this begs the question as to whether more intrusive inspections would have found them or not.

	22-03-2003 07:26									#92
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quote: Originally posted by Verto I wonder how some of the people who argued Hussein has no banned weapons are coping...do they accept that they were wrong? Or do they reason away their mistake?

Verto :
I supported inspections for the very reason I thought they did work thanks to the pressure of the US/UK army. Sure, Saddam would have never disarmed if this crisis hadn't been put on frontstage by the Bushies. Sure, Saddam would have never cooperated with the inspectors if it wasn't for the fear he had of being overthrown by a clearly superior US/UK army. Saddam would have never destroyed his weapons if he hadn't been caught red-handed by the inspectors.

The very combination of inspectors + military pressure, although, was working. It allowed the conditions under which Saddam had no choice but to cooperate. However, it takes more time for inspectors to uncover these weapons than it will take time to the US troops to invade Iraq. It would also have claimed the lives of far fewer people.
Yesterday I think, Blix was having a speech on the ways the inspections regime could have been strengthened to become more efficient, while saying the old inspection regime had some efficiency and results already.
However, as the inspectors' missions were far from being finished, Saddam sure had some forbidden weapons hidden somewhere. Whether he has chemicals or dirty bombs I don't know. I hope we never know.

	22-03-2003 07:30									#93
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In any case if the "Coalition" really cared about preventing the use of WMDs they wouldn't be creating a situation in which their use is much more likely.

	22-03-2003 07:30									#94
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How about that film of the marines tearing down saddams picture...

and the Iraqi citizen stepping up to hit the picture with his shoe?

gotta love that.

	22-03-2003 07:33									#95
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon In any case if the "Coalition" really cared about preventing the use of WMDs they wouldn't be creating a situation in which their use is much more likely.

right....they would be sitting back and waiting for those same WMD's to be built up and stockpiled to the point where their use would be much more devastating.

	22-03-2003 07:42									#96
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quote: Originally posted by vee4473 right....they would be sitting back and waiting for those same WMD's to be built up and stockpiled to the point where their use would be much more devastating.

Built up, with what? I doubt Iraq has had the resources to make viable WMDs since it can't even get enough spares for its aircraft.

Your claim is a fantasy.

	22-03-2003 07:43									#97
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quote: Originally posted by vee4473 How about that film of the marines tearing down saddams picture... and the Iraqi citizen stepping up to hit the picture with his shoe? gotta love that.

Yeah I loved the two staged bits of capitulation. But I've noticed that neither Canadian nor US networks are showing the bombed out non-military vehicles and the massacred civilians I saw on the BBC.

	22-03-2003 07:46									#98
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon Yeah I loved the two staged bits of capitulation. But I've noticed that neither Canadian nor US networks are showing the bombed out non-military vehicles and the massacred civilians I saw on the BBC.

There is no such thing. No such thing. No such thing...
Now, lokk at the cool explosions. Baghdad is bombed again, so sit and enjoy the firework?

	22-03-2003 07:48									#99
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quote: Originally posted by faded glory Of course not. There a bunch of emotional-weak minded retards.

Obviously, unlike the weak minded retards who believe this war is about WMDs.

	22-03-2003 07:50									#100
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quote: Now, look at the cool explosions. Baghdad is bombed again, so sit and enjoy the fireworks?

You have to be a pretty sick pervert to think like that (this means you, FG).

	22-03-2003 07:50									#101
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon Built up, with what? I doubt Iraq has had the resources to make viable WMDs since it can't even get enough spares for its aircraft. Your claim is a fantasy.

tell that to the kurds massacred in hallabja by chemical weapons. He had them then, but i guess we should trust him and think he doesn't have them anymore.



holy cow...

	22-03-2003 08:01									#102
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quote: Originally posted by vee4473 tell that to the kurds massacred in hallabja by chemical weapons. He had them then, but i guess we should trust him and think he doesn't have them anymore.

Arrgghh!! [restrains himself]

You absolute cretin! That was BEFORE the first Gulf War when Iraq was reasonably free to buy weapons from other countries (like the United States). Since the Gulf War they haven't even been able to get enough spares for their surviving equipment or replace it with more modern equipment. That's one reason why the Iraqi army is less of an obstacle this time. That's why Saddam was contained. I can't believe you would display such complete ignorance of world events...

I don't know why I bother sometime...

	22-03-2003 08:03									#103
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Edit your post quickly Agathon

	22-03-2003 08:09									#104
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Yes but you are pretty sick yourself and brainwashed very well I see.

	22-03-2003 08:14									#105
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon Arrgghh!! [restrains himself] You absolute cretin! That was BEFORE the first Gulf War when Iraq was reasonably free to buy weapons from other countries (like the United States). Since the Gulf War they haven't even been able to get enough spares for their surviving equipment or replace it with more modern equipment. That's one reason why the Iraqi army is less of an obstacle this time. That's why Saddam was contained. I can't believe you would display such complete ignorance of world events... I don't know why I bother sometime...

I understand that was before 1991. But you seem to say that we should trust him when he says he has magically destroyed what was left AFTER 1991. ....cretin....



The iraqi military is diminished, yes. the iraqi army was always diminished except for the special rep. guard.

his regular army has always been starving and hating him.


You are a very biased person. Or at least someone that hates the us so much that you ignore everything presented.

at least be honest.

Perhaps you would care to debate khadir hamzaa?


oh, yes...i forgot...he was bribed by the us gov't as well.

my bad.

	22-03-2003 08:16									#106
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oh, and i guess being gassed before 1991 makes you eligible for defense by ignorant people.

	22-03-2003 08:27									#107
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or should i say that gassing people before 1991 makes you eligible for defense by cretins.

it's so funny how people can defend a murderer/rapist/dictator/chemical destroyer...

yet, bash the lone few countries that are trying to hold that same ******* accountable to the UN resolutions that he held up his middle finger to for 12 years... And trying to destroy a terrorist. And free a people.

Heads need to be checked...

or at least hatreds need to be honestly expressed...instead of idiots preaching obviously ignorant anti-war stances without honestly asserting their own hatred for the US as being the sole reason for said stances.

duplicitous bastards!

	22-03-2003 08:36									#108
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I wasn't aware of the rapist thing. Link ?

	22-03-2003 08:39									#109
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While I don't know if Saddam himself is a rapist (althought it wouldn't surprise me), I do know that Iraqi authorities like to rape women with broken bottles as a means of torture. Horrible...

	22-03-2003 09:11									#110
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon Yeah I loved the two staged bits of capitulation. But I've noticed that neither Canadian nor US networks are showing the bombed out non-military vehicles and the massacred civilians I saw on the BBC.

We're not exactly buying into the propaganda either. I've heard a number of journalists jeering at the "embedded" American people that are with the troops. They've been called cheerleaders by our people, and don't agree with the way it's being handled. They're questioning their objectivity.

	22-03-2003 09:14									#111
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quote: Originally posted by vee4473 tell that to the kurds massacred in hallabja by chemical weapons. He had them then, but i guess we should trust him and think he doesn't have them anymore. holy cow...

And who supplied him with the equipment and resources to make them? The US.

	22-03-2003 09:15									#112
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quote: Originally posted by vee4473 I understand that was before 1991. But you seem to say that we should trust him when he says he has magically destroyed what was left AFTER 1991. ....cretin....

No but we shouldn't think of him as a major threat because he has a few chemical shells and maybe a few missiles. After all he knows he could never use them against his neighbours since retaliation would be swift and complete. The only way he could manage it is if he had an extremely strong army to defend himself against retaliation. To suggest this is true since GW1 is ridiculous.

quote: The iraqi military is diminished, yes. the iraqi army was always diminished except for the special rep. guard. his regular army has always been starving and hating him.

Are you seriously suggesting that Saddam could threaten his neighbours with his shambolic half wrecked army and a handful of WMDs that he may or may not have?

Get real. He's no threat and isn't likely to become one unless there is some miracle.

quote: You are a very biased person. Or at least someone that hates the us so much that you ignore everything presented.

I'm not ignoring what you've presented - I'm laughing at it.

quote: Perhaps you would care to debate khadir hamzaa?

You could at least spell his name correctly. Without a large and well equipped army to back them up even nuclear weapons would be useless to SH since retaliation would be swift and complete. Nuclear weapons are basically defensive in nature anyway, since you couldn't use them without bringing down destruction on your own head.

	22-03-2003 09:16									#113
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And it is the UN's business whether or not they enforce their own resolutions - it isn't the US's business.

	22-03-2003 09:21									#114
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quote: Originally posted by Willem And who supplied him with the equipment and resources to make them? The US.

This is a blantant lie. I dont know who started this, the left throws this around like it means something. In the 1980's we gave Iraq about 60 million dollars (chump change compared to the 90 billion the USSR gave Iraq!) in aid but never was there any weapons transfers between US and Iraqi governments....ever

Now compare that to the military equipment bought from France, USSR, and Germany.....


hmmm..

Who gave the Iraqi's Mirage F-1's, MiG-29's and T-72's?
Who gave them Chem and Bio weapons?



I win!

	22-03-2003 09:22									#115
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quote: Originally posted by vee4473 I understand that was before 1991. But you seem to say that we should trust him when he says he has magically destroyed what was left AFTER 1991. ....cretin....

Of ccourse no one trusted him, why do you think the inspectors were sent in? You "ugly Americans" seem to think that just because someone opposes the war that they love Saddam. Most people hate him and will be very happy to see him gone. It's just how it's being done that's bothering people.

quote: You are a very biased person. Or at least someone that hates the us so much that you ignore everything presented.

You're so biased you can't even be bothered to look at anything that's presented to you.

	22-03-2003 09:23									#116
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Oh ya. France supplied Saddam with that Nuclear Reactor, in fact, Chirac had something to do with it.

And the USSR giving him the infrastructure for Chemical and Bio weapons....

	22-03-2003 09:30									#117
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quote: Most people hate him and will be very happy to see him gone. It's just how it's being done that's bothering people.

It isn't going to happen any other way...

	22-03-2003 09:33									#118
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon I'm not suggesting that they are lying, but I doubt that they know for sure. After all it's not like CNN hasn't been wrong before. I'm prepared to wait and see since, as a previous poster mentioned, it seems odd for Iraq to use their best long-range missiles for short range nuisance attacks. The pictures I've seen so far are too small to be SCUDS.

A missile was shot down in Kuwait a few hours ago and landed intact. Some reporter were taken to the site and saw the missile and showed the picture on CNN. The Kuwaiti said it was a Scud. I have model of a scud and the writing in the video was the same as on my model.

	22-03-2003 09:41									#119
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I believe Iraq has at least one Cosmic Glo-Ball© Bowling alley. This has never been publicly confirmed but I have connections with Brunswick.

	22-03-2003 10:07									#120
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quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten quote: Most people hate him and will be very happy to see him gone. It's just how it's being done that's bothering people. It isn't going to happen any other way...

You're probably right, though I wish it could have been done under the UN banner. The world's leaders have let the rest of us down. But then what else is new? Let's just hope they can finally start working together when it's over and minimize the damage of the aftermath. I have a feeling it's about to get ugly in that area. I hope I'm just being paranoid!