22-03-2003 10:12									#121
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quote: You're probably right, though I wish it could have been done under the UN banner.

I feel the same way and I have a feeling that the Bush administration does too...

	22-03-2003 10:28									#122
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It isn't going to happen any other way...

It couldn't wait until Bush was out of the White House and every measure of the Patriot Act was repealed?

	22-03-2003 10:33									#123
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Good job, St. Leo. That post was even more incoherent than usual...

	22-03-2003 10:36									#124
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quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten quote: You're probably right, though I wish it could have been done under the UN banner. I feel the same way and I have a feeling that the Bush administration does too...

If they would have taken some diplomacy lessons beforehand, it might have happened. And I say the same about Chirac and his team. Idiots all! But what else can you expect from politicians?

	24-03-2003 22:35									#125
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Let's see.

They have a murderous butcher in charge of the country.
They have an unfullfilled desire to be free.

Actually, they have quite a bit in common with the French.

	24-03-2003 23:04									#126
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quote: Originally posted by faded glory This is a blantant lie. I dont know who started this, the left throws this around like it means something.

This is something I'd like cleared up once and for all (to use a cliché). Isee both the claim and counterclaim thrown around as if both sides have absolute proof in their claims, but it's usually by someone whose word I can't really trust without evidence (Sorry fg, I'm sure you're an honest guy, but there're others whose word I'd take before yours )... so what's the deal with this, really?

	25-03-2003 00:24									#127
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The extreme left is like a CEO braced with statistics.
The statistics prove whatever point he's trying to make, in either direction.

Take the statistics out, you're just left with a "smoking turd" thrown on the table.

	25-03-2003 00:45									#128
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Right, think you could post about anything without insulting an entire country or group of people now?

	04-04-2003 16:45									#129
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FOX news just reported the discovery south of Baghdad of many boxes filled w/ "white powder" in vials and nerve agent. Also, documents on chem warfare.

	04-04-2003 18:20									#130
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confirmed by reuters....

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tm...m/iraq_vials_dc


now, let's all say it together...BUSH 2004!!!

	04-04-2003 18:35									#131
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2nd site...

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=index&cid=578

the funny thing is that these were marked sites, and inspectors were there about 2 weeks ago. I think Hans Blix needs to find another line of work...

	04-04-2003 19:02									#132
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quote: Originally posted by Kaak 2nd site... http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=index&cid=578 the funny thing is that these were marked sites, and inspectors were there about 2 weeks ago. I think Hans Blix needs to find another line of work...

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They don't even know what's in them yet so I wouldn't be jumping the gun just now. It could be another false alarm like that supposed chemical plant.

	04-04-2003 19:07									#133
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Baby milk powder.

	04-04-2003 21:19									#134
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Nope., the powder was not baned chemicals, and no nerve agents were found on the site.

Still no dice. And we ahve the whjole western desert, and no sign whatsoever of any banned missiles either.

Where oh where have the WMD gone? Where oh where could they be?

	04-04-2003 23:03									#135
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quote: Where oh where have the WMD gone? Where oh where could they be?

They're probably in and around Baghdad, where everyone in the know thought they'd be...

	05-04-2003 01:52									#136
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quote: Originally posted by faded glory This is a blantant lie. I dont know who started this, the left throws this around like it means something. In the 1980's we gave Iraq about 60 million dollars (chump change compared to the 90 billion the USSR gave Iraq!) in aid but never was there any weapons transfers between US and Iraqi governments....ever

The USSR never "gave" 90 billion to anyone, anywhere, for anything. You must have pulled that number out of the orifice of your choice.

As for US aid programs, as well as military support via intelligence analysts, satellite and aerial intel, etc., that's all a matter of public record in the Federal District Court in Atlanta, Georgia, where principals of the Banco Nazionale di Lavorno were tried for their alleged "illegal" transfers to Iraq. It was a bit embarassing to the prosecutors when it was demonstrated by the defense with US government documents that the US taxpayer guaranteed over six billion in improperly documented (by US) and improperly authorized (again by US) Dept. of Agriculture and Dept. of Commerce loan guarantees. This was part of a combined 40 billion in aid from the US and Arab countries to keep Iraq in it's war with Iran.

BTW, the DIA long ago concluded the vast majority of fatalities from Halabja were consistent with cyanide poisoning, and the Iraqis never had or developed cyanide based agents. They used mustard and VX at Halabja, the Iranians used cyanide base agents. You figure it out. The same way you figure out how incensed the US was at the time. The silence was near deafening.

quote: Now compare that to the military equipment bought from France, USSR, and Germany..... hmmm.. Who gave the Iraqi's Mirage F-1's, MiG-29's and T-72's? Who gave them Chem and Bio weapons?

Nobody "gave" them anything. The Iraqis bought it on the open market, and the US isn't really in much position to *****, seeing as we're the largest arms exporter in the world.

quote: I win!

Yes, you win the "perpetually clueless" award once again, gas pumper.

	05-04-2003 01:53									#137
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quote: Originally posted by GePap Where oh where have the WMD gone? Where oh where could they be?

Simon Bar Sinister is going to use them on Sweet Polly Purebred.

	05-04-2003 01:57									#138
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quote: Originally posted by Kaak confirmed by reuters.... http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tm...m/iraq_vials_dc now, let's all say it together...BUSH 2004!!!

It helps if you read past the first paragraph.

"In February 2003, inspectors from the U.N. Monitoring, Verification and Inspection Commission went to Latifiya to see if any prohibited materials were there. They did not find anything but stated in a report that they deemed Iraq's "description and rationale inadequate."


Separately, Brigadier General Vincent Brooks told a news briefing at U.S. Central Command in Qatar that special forces in Iraq's western desert had found what they believed to be a training school for handling chemical warfare.


"We know that the Iraqis have conducted chemical training," he said, adding that initial evidence suggested that this was not a site housing weapons of mass destruction."

Close, but no cigar. And given the ****ing Bush is giving the economy, Bush in 2004 is far from a sure bet.

	05-04-2003 02:05									#139
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quote: Originally posted by Frogger So the new york times is lying?

The Iraqi ambassador to the U.N. Claimed that everyone was lying but the Iraqis.lol:

	07-04-2003 14:13									#140
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They did find two intact long range missiles, don't recall the type.

Only 17 days in...

	07-04-2003 16:16									#141
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Looks like they found something chemical...not sure yet though.

	07-04-2003 17:06									#142
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I've heard rumor in the past week about supposed chemical caches and some mass gravesite. Both turned out to be false. But the American media hypes the original report and then barely mentions the retraction, if at all. I'm not really concerned about illegal missiles. Big deal, so they can fly 120 miles instead of 93. Getting those missiles certainly isn't worth the amount of money this war is costing.

If the troops find actual chemical or biological caches, then maybe I'll listen to a damn word the Bush admin says. So far, all I've seen is a single bookcase of what is allegedly, possibly a substance that could be eventually used to create a chemical program... that is later proved to be nothing.

If Saddam has so many damn WMD the troops should be able to find them.

	07-04-2003 18:20									#143
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http://www.msnbc.com/news/895392_asp.htm?0cv=CA01

quote: NEAR KARBALA, Iraq, April 7 — U.S. Army commanders say they have discovered more than a dozen barrels of chemicals in an agricultural facility 30 miles northeast of here that have tested positive as blister and nerve agents. If that initial analysis is backed up by further testing, it would be the first confirmed seizure by U.S. forces of Iraqi chemical weapons.

	07-04-2003 19:04									#144
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From the same article:

quote: But sarin is also used in low levels in pesticides, which were found at the camp, so it is not clear if the facility is a nerve agent site or merely an agricultural facility.

	07-04-2003 19:14									#145
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what about the tabin, and the blister agent?

	07-04-2003 19:33									#146
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On Reuters, just reported a few minutes ago, allied troops claim to have found a number of missles with sarin and mustard gas warheads.

	07-04-2003 19:43									#147
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quote: Originally posted by spiritof1202 what about the tabin, and the blister agent?

What about that supposed chemical plant that turned out to be a false alarm? Until there's more conclusive information, there's no point in jumping the gun. I don't know anything about tabun or lewisite, but it might turn out that they're just ordinary ingredients for pesticides as well, or have some other legitimate purpose.

If they really did find something, you can be sure that the whole world will know about it soon enough; the Pentagon will be running a media circus with the information. Until then it's a good idea to remain sceptical. There's been far to many false reports coming out since the war started; it's not a good idea to believe everything you read at the moment.

	07-04-2003 20:37									#148
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Well, another thing they "aren't supposed to have" are ties with Al qaeda. The Us took over Ansar Al-Islam's (oh, yeah, remember them) headquarters about a week ago and found a lot of documents: lets see how long until they say some of them show ties between baghdad and Al qaeda. Remember, we have Ansar's documents already, so fi you hear nothing, well, we know about that claim.

Also, were are Saddam's hidden SCUDS? Ddin;t he have 20 or so? Haven't heard anything about them since the false reports week one.

	08-04-2003 01:21									#149
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Given the Iraqi's evasion and game playing with UNMOVIC and UNSCOM before that, there really should be no surprise to anyone but the most clueless that Saddam has prohibited stuff, and fairly decent amounts of it.

If there's anything debateable, it's whether what he has is substantial enough to be close enough to a threat to justify the cost of the US invasion.

	08-04-2003 01:25									#150
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Until the invasion I never questioned whether he had stuff. Now I may question the amounts, since given what we now hold, you would think someone would have found even just a single shell filled with something banned- but as of now, zippo.

As i said elsewhere, I really want this admin. to be able to catalogue each of the claims they made and what came of them, with stuff like the mobile biological labs and so forth.