01-04-2003 21:15									#151
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quote: Originally posted by BustaMike This is the kind of stuff I object to from ANY religion. We do this better than you. Our this is better than yours. Seriously, how can you make the claim that Muslims respect these prophets more if you have never been a Christian or a Jew (or even if you have, you still can't speak for everyone else in that faith or yours).

quote: As long as you're giving other people homework, here's a simple question for you. I never got a response to this post. Well, how can you make that claim?

Sorry, missed out on this one

It is very simple one see. Look in the Christian and Jewish holy books how they describe their and previous prophets. In Bible, Prophets has been accused of wrong doings. And in Islam, we know and believe, Prophets of Allah did not do any wrong. Bible actually accuses one(or many?) of the Prophets of engaged in illicit sexual relations[ref: help me out Bible experts . ]

In our Quran and Hadith, Great importance is given to respect, honor and value all the previous Prophets of Allah. It is a part of faith. And this is not a fact or condition for Christians or Jews, nor this respect to previous prophets is a part of their faith.

	01-04-2003 21:57									#152
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Just a small question : what does the (saw) mean in Mohammed(saw) ?

	01-04-2003 22:10									#153
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something around "may he be blessed" IIRC.

	01-04-2003 22:27									#154
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quote: Originally posted by Static Universe I always love watching two people argue which invisible man is better.

It can be amusing, yes. Then again, it can also be frightening.

I especially liked the claim that the "fake" muslims are a creation of the Jews. Those insidious, tricksey Jews! Always out to corrupt from within, huh?

-Arrian

The Inquisition, let's begin!
The Inquisition, look out sin!
We're on a mission, to convert the Jews!
Jew-ja-jew-jew-jew-ja-jews!
We're gonna teach 'em, wrong from right!
We're gonna make 'em, see the light!

	02-04-2003 00:14									#155
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Omar, you are infinitely more pleasant than the clearguidance people. Thanks for posting here, and just bear in mind that we rag on everybody. It's nothing personal or religious.

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"It is very simple one see. Look in the Christian and Jewish holy books how they describe their and previous prophets. In Bible, Prophets has been accused of wrong doings. "

The only exceptions to "For all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God" are Mary and Jesus.

RAW_OmarBKhatab:

To what degree do muslims believe in the veracity of the Christian bible? I know moslems believe it to be corrupted, but IIRC Islamic scholars still place some value on the Bible and is studied by them...

	02-04-2003 01:38									#157
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I, personally, would be offended to be even compared to the Clearguidance folks.

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Well deserved DL dancing aside... What exactly would be the purpose of a gaming group which excludes people of a different religion?

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Raw_OmarBKhatab:

I'll cut to the chase. Why must Muhammed be sinless to accomplish his mission? Do not Muslims believe that Muhammed is a person and not God?

Shi:
For all our sakes, just put Christ okay? Mary can come later...

	02-04-2003 02:04									#160
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This thread sucks.

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quote: Originally posted by Shi Huangdi "It is very simple one see. Look in the Christian and Jewish holy books how they describe their and previous prophets. In Bible, Prophets has been accused of wrong doings. " The only exceptions to "For all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God" are Mary and Jesus. RAW_OmarBKhatab: To what degree do muslims believe in the veracity of the Christian bible? I know moslems believe it to be corrupted, but IIRC Islamic scholars still place some value on the Bible and is studied by them...

Mary?

	02-04-2003 02:36									#162
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Shi's Catholic...

	02-04-2003 03:20									#163
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quote: Originally posted by obiwan18 Raw_OmarBKhatab: I'll cut to the chase. Why must Muhammed be sinless to accomplish his mission? Do not Muslims believe that Muhammed is a person and not God?

Mohammed(saw) is sinless. But, he (saw) is nothing more than a Prophet and Messenger of Allah. Allah is the One who Created Prophet Mohammed(Saw) sinless.

If Allah wants, any one can be sinless. Allah can do whatever he desires. Allah can give brith of a baby from a virgin(Mary, Mother of Prophet Essa(jesus)), if Allah wants, Allah can create things from nothing, like Allah created this universe from nothing.

I guess you are not aware of the Power, Might of your creator?

	02-04-2003 03:25									#164
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quote: [SIZE=1] To what degree do muslims believe in the veracity of the Christian bible? I know moslems believe it to be corrupted, but IIRC Islamic scholars still place some value on the Bible and is studied by them...

Bible that is present today is corrupt and man made. Muslims have no value for it. Some Study it to find "logical" errors to point it to Christians that they are following a book which has no basis of the true preaching of Prophet Essa(Jesus).

I do not belive in "online" Islamic scholars. 90% time they are fake and 50% times those are Jews posed as Muslims anwering corrupted version of Islam to misguide Muslims and non-Muslims.

Oh yes! there are JEWISH scholars who are much well versed in Islam than many Muslims. But, their goal is to "corrupt" Islam with misguided interpretations.

	02-04-2003 03:27									#165
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Mohammed commited a litany of things which nearly every other religion considers sinful; even mortally sinful.

	02-04-2003 03:37									#166
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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin Mohammed commited a litany of things which nearly every other religion considers sinful; even mortally sinful.

Oh please do elaborate on this won't you?

	02-04-2003 03:40									#167
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I can if you folks want to...

	02-04-2003 03:44									#168
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Oerdin:

If you don't, I will.

RawOmarBKhatab:

Can a Muslim ever act contrary to God's will?

And yes, I know the power of my creator.

	02-04-2003 04:24									#169
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I see the bigots have been queuing up on this thread.

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Alex: It's not nice to call yourself names. Seriously, the quote was that Mohammod was sinless there for it is not bigotory to point out that he did a great many things (murder, had sex with a child, possibly abused drugs) which most religions would consider sinful.

I'm not religious and my interest is in historical accuracy and proving religious dogma (he was sinless) wrong.

	02-04-2003 04:31									#171
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In other words you're just a bigot.

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Can you please explain why you feel that way? Such name calling doesn't seem to be called for in the least.

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Bigot.

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quote: I'm not religious and my interest is in historical accuracy and proving religious dogma (he was sinless) wrong.

AH:
Would it be any different if I posted?

	02-04-2003 04:37									#175
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Horse: That wasn't a very well contructed argument. If I was a bigot then I would not be basing my argument on historical facts but would most likely be repeating a belief without supporting it... kind of like what you're doing now.

	02-04-2003 04:40									#176
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quote: Originally posted by obiwan18 AH: Would it be any different if I posted?

Not if you posted something bigotted against muslims.

	02-04-2003 04:41									#177
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Where is the quote which supposedly oozes my bigotry? I find that many people claim bigotry when the reality is the speaker is simply saying something the accussor didn't like. For instance: pointing out evidience how a religious icon isn't as sinless as firvorent adherients claim him to be.

	02-04-2003 04:43									#178
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AH:

Then please define bigotted. What about someone who was a Muslim and converted? Would his reasoning be considered bigotted?

	02-04-2003 04:43									#179
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You know what you wrote.

	02-04-2003 04:50									#180
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Well, isn't this a fun little game?

AH: "A" is true.
Me: How do you know "A" is true? Are you aware of B, C, & D which controdict A?
AH: A is true.
Me: But if A was true you would expect E, F, and G. We do not see those things so it doesn't appear A is true.
AH: A is true and you know why!

I had a high opinion of you AH. I guess you're just feeling under the weather today.