22-03-2003 13:38									#91
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I guess it makes news. Especially if there is violence involved. The media loves violence.

But I don't care. I don't fear the protestors.

Because they seriously hurt their cause for what they did in cities such as San Francisco, New York, Boston, and Chicago. They seriously pissed off the average american. They will not get the undecided to go over to their side. You can't antagonize the people you want to recruit. How stupid is that?

but these protests are getting so extreme that the average american is starting to realize what nutcases they are. They won't get the average undecided american to go their way.

I also have another idea I have been floating around. I think a lot of these people feel guilty for various reason. Some feel guilty they have it so good, while people in other countries have it so bad (although this doesn't explain why they don't want to help Iraqi civlians). Or they feel guilty because they lack the courage our U.S. troops have, and that they are safe and sound while the troops are in danger. They feel guilty for something.

	22-03-2003 13:39									#92
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quote: it was my first protest and it was really fun.

Do you see why I don't see any reason to take these protestors seriously?
Silly people with surrealistic views on the world.

And in fact egecentric people who in fac say nothing different but "Hey, people of Iraq, we don't care about you! Deal with your dictator yourself, we love peace so we won't help you"

and saying that is "a lot of fun"

I hope you guys have "a cool day" again today!
People are dying! And you can protest! your dinner will be ready tonight! And usually other people have earned it for you!

There are people being tortured
there are people starving
there are people being surpressed
there are people who have suffered under mass destruction weapons

and you say "keep talking to the man who did it! Till eternity!"

Most people I hear from the anti-war campagin voice nothing but extreme-leftish bs.
But go ahead! Move yourself among the short-sighted of the earth!

"Make love, not war" sounds good! Unfortunately our choise is not that easy. The world is not a computer game.

now go ahead with your silly signs and have a whole lot of fun!

	22-03-2003 13:41									#93
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Oh, and some dude said some stuff about afghanistan!
I guess he meant to say "Yeah, under the Taleban things were better in Afghanistan"

that's what I mean with silly ways of reasoning.
of course it's not paradise yet in afghanistan!
And it will never be!

But now you're that silly to prefer the taleban regime above the current regime, just only to have another reason to be against the war!

	22-03-2003 13:41									#94
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I must admit tho, that the protests are annoying, and especially frustrating when you hear the ignorant shouts of "no blood for oil", among others.

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My frustrations would be relieved tho by

A) I watch them get their ass kicked by police

B) their actions are cancled out by a Pro-war rally

or

[/not completely serious]

C) the war in Iraq turns out to be a stunning success

	22-03-2003 13:43									#95
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I also heard about Saddams eldest son today. He would just have a scout pick women off the street so he can rape them. And there was some soldier that did something wrong. He had him killed and brought his newlywed wife in and raped her and threw her off a balcony.

I was ready to invade before I even knew this. I heard this today, and I can't figure out why people say we shouldn't fix the situation. As I mentioned above there are other countries with bad conditions. but we can't help everyone. We'd get our asses kicked in countries such as Rwanda, Tibet, and North Korea.

	22-03-2003 13:45									#96
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I also forgot to mention the blood for oil in my above long post.

We didn't know for sure if we'd get that oil. He could have blown up every single oil well, and we'd have no oil. We were lucky and most of the oil wells are undamaged so far. This will be good for rebuilding Iraq. This was just an added bonus, not something we planned for.

And we aren't stealing the oil. It belongs to the Iraqi people.

	22-03-2003 14:41									#97
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those "die ins" are so gay

	22-03-2003 17:51									#98
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Sure it's all about oil!
Like the USA kept the oil from kuwait! :|

	22-03-2003 18:31									#99
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quote: Originally posted by CyberShy Oh, and some dude said some stuff about afghanistan! I guess he meant to say "Yeah, under the Taleban things were better in Afghanistan" that's what I mean with silly ways of reasoning. of course it's not paradise yet in afghanistan! And it will never be! But now you're that silly to prefer the taleban regime above the current regime, just only to have another reason to be against the war!

What's that, did some dude just completely ignore my arguments?

Whoa, talk about being silly!

	22-03-2003 19:14									#100
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Silly arguements deserve a silly response.

I am ignoring you.

ps: can you sack an anti-war protester?

	22-03-2003 19:19									#101
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quote: What's that, did some dude just completely ignore my arguments?

The arguments do not matter.
The situation in afghanistan has improved, eventhough it's still not paradise there. (hey, I apparently didn't ignore them)

	22-03-2003 21:03									#102
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quote: Originally posted by CyberShy quote: What's that, did some dude just completely ignore my arguments? The arguments do not matter. The situation in afghanistan has improved, eventhough it's still not paradise there. (hey, I apparently didn't ignore them)

Please show me how it's improved. I've shown you how it hasn't, all you have done is say 'no'.

The new government isn't as oppresive as the taliban, but there is so much anarchy that it hardly makes a difference. The civil war is as fierce as ever. There is no democracy. More people are dead, more buildings are destroyed, and more mines and unexploded munitions fill the landscape. The country does not have enough money to rebuild, while meanwhile the USA is spending tens of billions of dollars on developing new nuclear weapons technology.

	22-03-2003 23:04									#103
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well go to your precious U.N. and ask for help.

Am I the only one to see how useless the U.N. is now? How can they turn a blind eye to afghanistan, Iraq, and Rwanda. I can understand Rwanda, as the region has no support bases, and the U.S. would suffer very large casualties and would probably lose a war there. But maybe with worldwide support they could do it.

And I don't know if the U.S. is deveoloping new nuke technology, but it doesn't matter. The U.S. has more than enough money to go around. I'm sure the U.S. has invested billions in afghanistan. The question you should ask is why aren't other nations doing more to help?

	22-03-2003 23:23									#104
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http://www.unicefusa.org/emergencie...stan/about.html

Unicef:

quote: The removal of the Taliban from power and the subsequent rise of a transitional government in Afghanistan have renewed hopes that after more than 20 years of violence and oppression, children and families can look forward to healthier and happier lives.

quote: In June 2002, the first popular elections held in Afghanistan in over two decades gave power to Hamid Karzai, who now leads a transitional administration that will preside for 18 months as the country works to rebuild and recover from decades of oppression and destruction.

http://www.reliefweb.int/w/rwb.nsf/...c7?OpenDocument

quote: Despite signs of progress over the last year, UNICEF today said Afghanistan is still grappling to rebuild its nation - with girls and women in particular jeopardy - and now the country is at risk of being ignored.

United Nations:

http://www.reliefweb.int/w/rwb.nsf/...5c?OpenDocument

quote: The report notes progress made on the consolidation of government authority by the Afghan Transitional Administration, in particular through the adoption of a national development budget, the successful completion of a currency reform operation, and the ongoing implementation of national programmes to provide clear, tangible economic benefits to the Afghan population.

again, it's not paradise, but it's improving and getting better.

But if you disagree, say it clear: "The situation under the Taleban was better"
If that's not what you mean, and if you agree that it's better right now, but still not the best place to live, than just say "I agree with you CS"

But if you're in the surreal impression that it's possible to turn hell into heaven in little time, I'm sorry. Welcome to the planet earth.

	23-03-2003 00:24									#105
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I'm wondering why people like Agathon draw some sort of connection between pro-war opinions and getting laid. I have several rolls of photos from DC anti-war protests, and I for one can tell you that a lot of anti-war protestors aren't prize pigs themselves.

Shouting "You can't get laid!" is about as effective as comparing something to Nazi Germany on the retort scale.

	23-03-2003 00:38									#106
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quote: Originally posted by CyberShy But if you disagree, say it clear: "The situation under the Taleban was better" If that's not what you mean, and if you agree that it's better right now, but still not the best place to live, than just say "I agree with you CS"

Yes, I forgot - with us or against us. I don't agree with you, so I must be some sort of evil stinking terrorist that supports dictators and eats babies.

I have repeatedly said that the new government is better, and that is good, but the improvements are minimal. I think that it is only in the cities that you see any change - women are allowed to go out on the streets, and you can buy all the western merchandise you want. Outside of the cities, I doubt it really matters to the people who is in charge.

In a sense, the USA was lucky that the Taliban was such a horrible regime so that they could gain support. Looking at their Saudi allies, they clearly have no problem with these sorts of fanatic and oppresive regimes, as long as they do what the USA says.


I don't expect Afghanistan to have improved over night, not with the decades of war it has seen (especially having been a playground for the soviets and americans during the cold war). But the USA has not made any serious effort in improving the situation, they merely joined in on the ongoing war and blew things up untill they got what they wanted, and let things carry on as they have for the past few decades. Afghanistan still does not have the money or resources it needs, even with international support, while the USA continues to spend trillions of dollars in it's warmongering.



As for those quotes, they're mostly just the usual "good times ahead!" beurocrat talk. (and, i might add, have nothing to do with the USA) I certainly don't remember there ever being elections, just a president appearing out of nowhere - but maybe I am wrong on that, though.

Eitherway, you don't get much news on afhanistan now that the USA has shot it's load. I'll admit to being as ignorant about it as anyone else - but I have made an effort to find out how it has changed and all i found was stories on how it is short of money, political parties are being arrested, people being beaten, the fighting between warlords, ect...

	23-03-2003 01:00									#107
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quote: Do you see why I don't see any reason to take these protestors seriously? Silly people with surrealistic views on the world. And in fact egecentric people who in fac say nothing different but "Hey, people of Iraq, we don't care about you! Deal with your dictator yourself, we love peace so we won't help you" and saying that is "a lot of fun" I hope you guys have "a cool day" again today! People are dying! And you can protest! your dinner will be ready tonight! And usually other people have earned it for you! There are people being tortured there are people starving there are people being surpressed there are people who have suffered under mass destruction weapons and you say "keep talking to the man who did it! Till eternity!" Most people I hear from the anti-war campagin voice nothing but extreme-leftish bs. But go ahead! Move yourself among the short-sighted of the earth! "Make love, not war" sounds good! Unfortunately our choise is not that easy. The world is not a computer game. now go ahead with your silly signs and have a whole lot of fun!

people are being toturted around the world. that is not a reason to go in there and spend money and lives we dont have.

	23-03-2003 01:03									#108
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I pity the people commuting to work in San Francisco.

	23-03-2003 01:06									#109
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I don't think the protestors are against the troops, just against the diplomatic policy of Bush. I think a lot more countries would be for this war if it wasn't for Shrub's Unilateralism (Thank heavens Colin Powell told the chickenhawks to shut up and go to the UN). Cheney and Rummy f*cked up in getting support for the war and wonder why people are mad at them, what a bunch of lunatics. I think the hero in all this in Powell, as he tried to tell the chickenhawks to shut up. When it comes to diplomacy, I think Cheney and Rummy have all the power, Bush is just thier tool to make thier policy look legitamate. In my book Cheney is worse than Kissinger.

	23-03-2003 01:07									#110
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quote: Originally posted by Odin I don't think the protestors are against the troops, just against the diplomatic policy of Bush.

... and people driving to work.

	23-03-2003 01:15									#111
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc ... and people driving to work.

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	23-03-2003 01:43									#112
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heres a picture of me and my friend. we are looking for our other firiends. this is 3/20/03 at market and sixth street in SF, right before the cops closed in, and right after that latina hit me with the baton. i do not know who took this photo.

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	23-03-2003 02:42									#113
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DP

	23-03-2003 02:42									#114
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heres a vid of me and my friends at the protest. weare in the first few mintues near the end of the line. this was not filmed by any of us.

http://real.playstream.com:8080/ram...pathplay/m20.rm

	23-03-2003 02:47									#115
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quote: Originally posted by Lawrence of Arabia heres a vid of me and my friends at the protest.

Here's another vid of the protest:

http://www.brain-terminal.com/video/sf-2003-03-15/



PS Be aware that one is for fast connections.

	23-03-2003 03:28									#116
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nice try, but that was MArch 15th, not 20th.

	23-03-2003 12:43									#117
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon Nah - most war supporters are "Stupid White Guys". You know the people I mean - usually 25+ with a bit of education but profound political ignorance. Considers himself an "individual" and whines about minorities all the time (who have cheated him out of being a success). Looks like a loser and is hopeless with women as well - which explains why he loves the chickenhawk stance so much - I mean what could be more manly than talking with feigned competence about "fire zones" and having a hard on for a war you won't personally fight. I don't know about you, but I find it obnoxious when weedish little dorks start getting militaristic - definitely a sign of major sexual problems. Maybe they should just get laid...

This post is almost too stupid to respond too, but I it is so funny I must.

I won't point out how it is wrong and racist. That is obvious. Because we know black people or latinos are all against war. Only white people have desires to kill.

And I suspect that post was directed at me. I'm not some comptuer geek. I have spent 8 years in the U.S. Navy. And I am much older than most of you. And while I may not be as intellient (all though I think I am ), I am certainly wiser with the ways the world works. Many of you are in high school and are taught how the world should be. Well the sad truth is the world is not that way.

And even after getting laid, I still have desires to go to war

	23-03-2003 13:01									#118
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Most of these protesters are protest as a hobby. Doesn't matter what the issue is they feel important dressing in hippy clothes (yes most of them dress like it's 1969 or some crap).

It cracks me up when they strut off after being arrested like they are hard core or something.

	23-03-2003 13:30									#119
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yes I agree. It is a fad.

What really cracked me up was the protestors throwing temper tantrums in SF. So childish.

What really gets me is these people think they are brave. it is not brave to protest in a nation with free speech. To do this in Iraq would be brave .

	23-03-2003 14:15									#120
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident Am I the only one to see how useless the U.N. is now? How can they turn a blind eye to afghanistan, Iraq, and Rwanda. I can understand Rwanda, as the region has no support bases, and the U.S. would suffer very large casualties and would probably lose a war there. But maybe with worldwide support they could do it.

The US lobbied other UN members to pull out of Rwanda. What happened there was as much the fault of the US, if not more, than the UN.

The UN was doing something about Iraq, but the US just wanted an invasion.