22-03-2003 05:25									#1
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One more time....

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	22-03-2003 05:49									#2
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Because of Harry's exhaustive and in-depth research/trial-and-error, I have changed my vote to having Wittlich Ost south of the cow. See referenced thread for complete explaination.

	23-03-2003 00:21									#3
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We should consider returning to the Hills tile, for the case the situation degrades to war.

	23-03-2003 00:26									#4
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I would actually suggest we either

a) move back to the hill

or

b) move west to the hill/coast tile next to the cows. Two turns to get there.

And I like b). Claims the land - and lets us build on the hills to the south next - and the Wittlich Point. Three cities on hills. All within 3 of the point. Nice set-up.

No cities on the plains.

	23-03-2003 00:39									#5
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yes

none on the plains

I am not sure what we can do

also not sure if we want to fnght both ND and Gow

Jn Miller

	23-03-2003 00:55									#6
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quote: b) move west to the hill/coast tile next to the cows. Two turns to get there.

I dont think we should do it.

1) We might get attacked on the way to that tile.
2) Even if we manage to found a city there, it will take more time for reinforcements to arrive in the case of war.
3) It will piss them off even more.
4) We might encounter borders very close to those hills, and founding a city so close to other civ's borders without their agreement is an unofficial hostile act.

	23-03-2003 01:41									#7
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we need on th hill
because we can reinforce it quickly

Jon Miller

	23-03-2003 02:42									#8
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With the current hieghtened tension with other civs on Bob, I have to concur with Jon - Put Wittlich Ost on the hill and place it there quickly. Right now, we have no city on Bob so we actually have no claim to a piece of the land. Once we have the city built, we will then have a viable claim.

	23-03-2003 03:41									#9
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Agreed. Build on the hill.

	23-03-2003 04:27									#10
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Build on hill. I have voted for this the whole time

	23-03-2003 05:16									#11
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quote: Originally posted by mjmacy Build on hill. I have voted for this the whole time

Me too.

	23-03-2003 10:28									#12
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Unless we are going to put more cities on Bob I would rather pull our settler back. It will take an excessive number of units to protect it compared to having the city on Estonia and we will spend turns shuttling units and workers back and forth to support one city.

On the other hand, having a city there gives credance to the GoW ranting and raving about our invasion and supports the smokescreen.

	23-03-2003 11:51									#13
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yes we need that smokescreen. If GS gets any idea of what may be coming, we could lose out on a lot of techs.

	23-03-2003 20:37									#14
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So build the damned city already!