22-03-2003 10:57									#31
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Very awe-inspiring. Such precision with those attacks lighting up the Baghdad sky by destroying the President Palace.

	22-03-2003 11:01									#32
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I don't know about awe but definately shocking... CNN reporting it like it was the superbowl or something... a little disquieting when you know people were on the receiving end but a necessary evil none-the-less. Here's hoping as few of the civilians not involved with the regime die from the campaign.

	22-03-2003 11:04									#33
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quote: Originally posted by DarthVeda Here's hoping as few of the civilians not involved with the regime die from the campaign.

	22-03-2003 12:03									#34
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I'm shocked and awed at the colossal waste of money Bush's war is.

	22-03-2003 12:11									#35
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Very awe-inspiring. Such precision with those attacks lighting up the Baghdad sky by destroying the President Palace.

Amazing wasn't it. You have B-52 500 miles away launching cruise missiles, Navy ships launching cruise missiles 200 miles away and B2 bombers launching cruise missiles 150 miles away and they all struck in the exact same location minutes after eachother.

	22-03-2003 12:57									#36
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Frozzy, technology has sure progressed amazingly quickly since the last Gulf War!!

	22-03-2003 13:08									#37
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I heard 1000 (!!!) cruise missile and untold number of precision bombs were used in the bombardment... that is awe inspiring firepower. I cannot imagine the destructive power of such a salvo.

	22-03-2003 13:19									#38
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not really. a nucke would shock and awe me.

	22-03-2003 13:26									#39
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Kramerman, one has to remember that the US doesn't have an endless supply of these. Isn't a tomahawk worth ~ $1 million?

Anyway, we're told the ferocity is gonna keep going up...

	22-03-2003 13:31									#40
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quote: Originally posted by Frozzy Kramerman, one has to remember that the US doesn't have an endless supply of these. Isn't a tomahawk worth ~ $1 million? Anyway, we're told the ferocity is gonna keep going up...

oh, indeed. This i know, but none the less, 1000!!!

Somethn that would be pretty awe inspiring is if the US ever gets an oppertunity to drop a couple of MOABs on the Iraqi military... That might even break the Republican Guards' spirits... too bad they are hiding behind civilians like cowardly brats.

	22-03-2003 13:36									#41
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Reminds me of Kosovo and the human shields...

I'd like to see a MoAB too... not in Baghdad though...

But a BILLON DOLLARS in cruise missiles in one night. thats quite impressive. I wouldn't mind a billion raining down on me, but not in that format

	22-03-2003 14:33									#42
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anybody have video of Saddam's palce being blown up.

Yes I'm evil, I delighted in that. All that money was supposed to go to his people, not his palace. So we had a right to blow that baby up

	22-03-2003 14:47									#43
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a billion bucks. what a loss. esp. considering it hardly achieved anything.

	22-03-2003 14:50									#44
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It's not like we were using the money for anything. . It's either war or tax breaks. Congress already took money from the tax breaks to pay for this war.

And please don't tell me education. I heard that today. The federal goverment is not responsible for education. That falls under state and local goverments. Presidents only pledge money for education for political gain. The money is not very much and is lost in the beaucracy anyways. I doubt any of it actually reaches the classroom.

	22-03-2003 14:51									#45
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quote: Originally posted by Azazel a billion bucks. what a loss. esp. considering it hardly achieved anything.

how, exactly, would you know what it accomplished?

	22-03-2003 14:58									#46
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he is Saddam Hussein's son possibly?

I'll go with that answer

	22-03-2003 15:04									#47
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To Agathon, judging from his posts in this thread -- >

	22-03-2003 15:35									#48
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I have not been shocked. From what I've heard, they've not yet used a MOAB, so no- no shock value yet.

	22-03-2003 15:52									#49
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quote: how, exactly, would you know what it accomplished?

Well, I don't see any real changes, except a slight change in the Baghdad skyline. do you?

	22-03-2003 16:37									#50
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i have been as shocked and as awed as i was on 9/11. this is just another butchery and i can only hope that both osama and dubbya will have a slow and painful death

	22-03-2003 16:53									#51
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident anybody have video of Saddam's palce being blown up. Yes I'm evil, I delighted in that. All that money was supposed to go to his people, not his palace. So we had a right to blow that baby up

i thought that the basics of american way of life is a respect for private property (if that was indeed his)

	22-03-2003 17:32									#52
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For me 9/11 was shock and Awe (awe in the sense of the insanity of that day).

In the name of liberty the UK and US will be killing many thousands more then died on that tragic day. I fully appreciate they are being as careful as possible to reduce civilian and collateral damage though that can never be 100%. Despite the claim and counter claim regarding the numbers of Iraqi civilian deaths it seems to me the numbers will eventually be in the thousands. God only knows how many innocent and not so innocent people will die in the eventual push into bagdad.

How ironic it is that we are using weapons of mass destruction (did you see the TV last night) to liberate a country which allegedly posses them?

To date we have lost 13 brave British soldiers (thats 13 to many), in action I support our troops but for the future we need to learn a lesson. THERE MUST BE ANOTHER WAY.

	22-03-2003 17:54									#53
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Those aren't weapons of mass destruction. These are:

	22-03-2003 18:04									#54
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quote: Originally posted by Barley THERE MUST BE ANOTHER WAY.

	22-03-2003 19:11									#55
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quote: Originally posted by Kramerman Somethn that would be pretty awe inspiring is if the US ever gets an oppertunity to drop a couple of MOABs on the Iraqi military... That might even break the Republican Guards' spirits... too bad they are hiding behind civilians like cowardly brats.

This outburst displays some amazing naivete. Yes, the RG sure has cheek to defend Baghdad in the most effective way (ie. to hunker down within the city), and not come out in the open so the US can kill them all from the air.

It's a perfectly acceptable military solution, and any civilian casualties resulting from defending the city are collateral damage in the purest definition of the word.

Any country in the world would do the same, given the circumstances.

	22-03-2003 19:18									#56
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Actually, AFIAK, the geneva convetion says otherwise. You cannot use concentrations of civilians as valid defensive positions.

	22-03-2003 19:21									#57
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Oh, and Jaakko, I've got ADSL, now where can I get the taste of interesting anime? (whatever it is)

	22-03-2003 20:08									#58
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quote: Originally posted by Azazel Actually, AFIAK, the geneva convetion says otherwise. You cannot use concentrations of civilians as valid defensive positions.

Not exactly, I think. You can't use them as shields, yes, but it works both ways, ie. the US can't expect the Iraqi troops to commit suicide by going into open, merely because there are civilians in the area.

What both parties have to do is give civilians every opportunity to leave the area where the battle is taking place. Which will be difficult in Baghdad, because the civilians don't really have any place to go to, and are reluctant to leave their homes to a patch of desert where their fate is sketchy at best.

I'll send you a PM about the anime.

	22-03-2003 20:14									#59
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What is it with you guys and the MOAB? it is a weapon designed against bunkers of fortified positions only. Dropping a MOAB will not break any troops wating to resist, anymore then a whole bunch of 2000lb bombs would .

Iraq says 200 people injured..which is very light, thankfully.

Again, all the set targets were probably empty, so in terms of what daamge ahd been done form this barrage...mainly psychological and for public consumption.

	22-03-2003 20:22									#60
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