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Proteus_MST
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Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
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It is more because we have seen what war can do to people, not only to soldiers but also to civilians. |
Why aren't the British, French and Russian pacifists then? |
If you look at the polls you will see that most of the people in those above mentioned countries are against the war in Iraq.
In GB it could be also be the reasons Tony Blair won´t get reelected, because he chose to join the coalition of the willing against the will of the british people.
This is the big difference to america where the war now seems to be backed by 75% of the people, if you believe the polls (but still also America has the largest Demonstrations against the war since vietnam)
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HershOstropoler
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Funny... I seem to remember that the germans were prepared to fight such a defensive war since 1956?
I also seem to remember that the US did not start a pre-emptive war against the USSR...
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Proteus_MST
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Originally posted by Kramerman
The jews were probably the hardest hit by WWII, and yet Israel is a staunch supporter of this war...
Perhaps its because mass carpet bombing isnt how this war is being fought, and civilian casualties are being avoided at very high costs. |
Nope, there you should make a difference.
The Jews weren´t hit by WW2.
They were hit by Hitlers racist Ideals and his building of Concentration camps.
It was the war which rescued them from their captivity and the impending death.
Hadn´t there been WW2 (and Hitler and the Nationalsocialists had been ruling germany 5-10 years longer) we wouldn´t have many surviving jews here in germany (and probably europe).
So I think that the WW2 is being seen mostly beneficial by those jews who survived the third reich.
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HershOstropoler
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"I seem to recall that the Soviets didn't go across their line."
Really? Why no preemptive war against their nuclear program pre 1949?
"I still mentioned the South in the U.S. civil war. The south was hit hard by the war, especially with Sherman's march."
The US lost 600.000 people in the civil war, I think 100.000 in WWI and 300-400.000 in WWII.
Germany lost 8 million in WWII, 4 milion of them civilians. France lost 2 million in WWI. A much more devastating, and more recent experience. Even still, the French are hardly pacifist; the french left was after WWI, no longer after WWII.
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Proteus_MST
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Originally posted by Dissident
I still mentioned the South in the U.S. civil war. The south was hit hard by the war, especially with Sherman's march.
Yet the South was an is very pro-war.
I just don't believe that argument for the reason germany is the way that it is. |
Yes, but this war has been how long ago?
It is 140 years or the like. And people tend to forget after a while, especially if the generation which can tell of those things firsthand dies out.
Also I believe that the impact on the civilians wasn´t as large in the american civil war as it has been in WW2.
There were no Bomberfleets which within minutes bombed large cities into dust and AFAIK the cities themselves haven´t been misused as a battleground to such an extent as in WW2.
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HershOstropoler
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"I would have blown the **** out of them if I knew then what I know now."
Let's just be glad that at the time, Truman was president, and not notyoubush.
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