24-03-2003 07:50									#31
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--"Why wouldn't they blow it up if it contained evidence of their wrong doing?"

Probably because blowing up a chemical weapons factory while you're still nearby would fit nicely in the Bad Things category...

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	24-03-2003 07:58									#32
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There is no doubt Saddam still had programs to make WMDs, because of his ambition to become the one who'd unite the Arab world (at least, that's what I understood)
Now, the real potential is questionable : was it a chemical wapons plant ? Wouldn't chem plants be hidden, underground or mobile ? What would be its potential for production. What were its stocks and its raw materials ? etc. etc.

Besides, even if Saddam did abandon chem weapons for the sake of developing another WMD (I doubt he did), you can expect the US army to 'proove' this factory was producing huge amount of nerve gas.

I hope nobody here believes the army always tell the truth.

	24-03-2003 08:03									#33
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quote: Originally posted by Spiffor Wouldn't chem plants be hidden, underground or mobile ?

I was under the impression it was heavily camoflaged. That seems pretty hidden to me (although I suppose it wasn't hidden enough).

	24-03-2003 08:35									#34
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Being buried under sand and camo ,with an electrified fence,near a military base pretty well gives it away as something the Iraqi's didn't want seen by inspectors.That alone makes it suspect.
The General in charge is singing like Pavorotti and supplied paperwork that will point to other sites.I think this will be one of many discovered in the days to come.
But of coarse it will contain french hardware and german technology.But hey,somebodys got to make a buck.

	24-03-2003 08:51									#35
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Until a report actually comes out about what was found, everyone on this thread is blowing smoke out their azzes.

They found a plant, think it suspicious.Over and Done.

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	24-03-2003 08:59									#36
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quote: Originally posted by Brtndr4u Being buried under sand and camo ,with an electrified fence,near a military base pretty well gives it away as something the Iraqi's didn't want seen by inspectors.That alone makes it suspect.

Didn't the US accuse Saddam of building military bases near, below, or on top of civilian facilities to prevent bombing attacks? That can easily explain the proximity. Furthermore, if I were Saddam, I'd start hiding my infrastructures too once Uncle Sam threatened me with violence.

	24-03-2003 09:43									#37
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quote: Originally posted by Brtndr4u But of coarse it will contain french hardware and german technology.But hey,somebodys got to make a buck.

Obviously, only the French and the Germans made money with Saddam's regime

	24-03-2003 09:45									#38
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Ahem.. Points upward....

	24-03-2003 09:46									#39
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Well, any equipment with "Made in USA" will of course be removed from the compound before the horde of reporters are paraded through a whole lot of boxes with "fabrique" markings.

	24-03-2003 09:48									#40
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quote: Originally posted by Spiffor Obviously, only the French and the Germans made money with Saddam's regime

Forgot about the Russians.

	24-03-2003 09:49									#41
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quote: Originally posted by DanS Well, any equipment with "Made in USA" will of course be removed from the compound before the horde of reporters are paraded through a whole lot of boxes with "fabrique" markings.

Wasn't your army comitted to the truth ?

	24-03-2003 09:51									#42
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Of course they are. But possession is 9/10ths of the truth.

	24-03-2003 09:58									#43
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quote: Originally posted by Spiffor Obviously, only the French and the Germans made money with Saddam's regime

You guys were smart. We just gave the bastards aid payments covered as agricultural and commerce loan guarantees, so the Italian bank loans could be guaranteed by the US government (i.e. taxpayer) when Saddam wiped his ass with them.

We couldn't even get those billions in loan goodies to a US bank.

	24-03-2003 10:01									#44
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Oh my lord, you guys must be joking? Rich western states and their companies making money out of relations with dictatorial regimes?

Say it ain't so man, say it ain't so!!!!!

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	24-03-2003 10:47									#45
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	24-03-2003 10:52									#46
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quote: Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat They hate us because we represent freedom.

It gets funnier every time I read it

	24-03-2003 10:54									#47
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quote: Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat They hate us because we represent freedom.

Sadly that's probably the biggest delusion of the ordinary American. Few people in the wider world see America like that.

	24-03-2003 11:29									#48
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quote: Originally posted by Alexander's Horse Sadly that's probably the biggest delusion of the ordinary American. Few people in the wider world see America like that.

That "we represent freedom" concept always reminds me of those great scenes in Dr. Strangelove (where is Doc, anyway?) at the entrance to the SAC base that Ripper commands, where the entrance sign always says "Peace is our profession."

And hell, I can't think of anyone outside the US who sees America like that.

	24-03-2003 11:31									#49
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quote: Originally posted by Spiffor It gets funnier every time I read it

Don't you just feel liberated once you realize the truth of it, though?

	24-03-2003 11:31									#50
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quote: Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat That "we represent freedom" concept always reminds me of those great scenes in Dr. Strangelove (where is Doc, anyway?) at the entrance to the SAC base that Ripper commands, where the entrance sign always says "Peace is our profession."

I love that scene. Wasn't the backdrop a raging firefight with the sign shot to pieces?

	24-03-2003 11:34									#51
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There was an early scene or two going in and out of the base, where you just saw it briefly, then the scene cut to somewhere else.

Later on, it served as the focal point when the Army was shooting it out with the Air Force to try to take the base back, yeah.

God, I love that movie.

	24-03-2003 11:35									#52
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"10 to 20 million killed, Tops, depending on the breaks."

MtG: Madame Thacher, perhaps?

	24-03-2003 11:36									#53
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quote: Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat That "we represent freedom" concept always reminds me of those great scenes in Dr. Strangelove (where is Doc, anyway?) at the entrance to the SAC base that Ripper commands, where the entrance sign always says "Peace is our profession." And hell, I can't think of anyone outside the US who sees America like that.

Yeah, where is Strangelove?

I like America and Americans. And it is a free country.

	24-03-2003 11:37									#54
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That plant has been inspected by UN inspectors and they didn't find any indication that it was used for the production of chemical weapons. I doubt it suddenly turned into a full blown chem weapons site the moment the inspectors left Baghdad.

I suggest everyone starts reading the reports by Hans Blix, nice and factual reading.

	24-03-2003 11:38									#55
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Millions would love to live in America, because it is free... they just don't think American is anywhere near as good as it think it is at exporting that "goodness".

	24-03-2003 11:40									#56
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quote: Originally posted by GePap Millions would love to live in America, because it is free...

No, most of them are economic migrants. If you have money in the Third World you are freer than your average Westerner.

	24-03-2003 11:42									#57
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quote: Originally posted by CapTVK That plant has been inspected by UN inspectors and they didn't find any indication that it was used for the production of chemical weapons. I doubt it suddenly turned into a full blown chem weapons site the moment the inspectors left Baghdad. I suggest everyone starts reading the reports by Hans Blix, nice and factual reading.

The cement plant nearby had been inspected, IIRC, this specific plant was on a list of potential dual use facilities, but had not yet been inspected by UNMOVIC.

	24-03-2003 11:46									#58
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You are right that the rich are free to do more in the TW if they have money (like my uncle who makes about 120k a year in Panama as a doctor, which affords him 5 houses [1 beach, one country, 1 apartment, 2 houses], maids and enough cars for his family of 7..). But while he has much "freedom", the amount of liberty he has is a bit less (though as a born aagin evangelical..lets keep him from voting in the US) than here.

The US does afford more liebrty, as well as more money.

	24-03-2003 12:07									#59
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This is obviosly planted by the U.S. or the Israelis

We all know Saddam is not a bad guy.

	24-03-2003 12:13									#60
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quote: Originally posted by GePap The US does afford more liebrty, as well as more money.

Even in the US, $ brings you more freedom, i.e., liberty.