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OK, Fox News is reporting, and a number of news organizations are carrying that the US 3rd Infantry Division has captured a huge chemical weapons plant near Najaf, the Shiite holy city south of Baghdad.

http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/...1084802,00.html

I am interested in hearing what harm this report would do the information warfare campaign if it is not true and Fox News is discredited. Alternatively, if it is true, what would that mean for world public opinion on this endeavor? I would be laughing my ass off in either case.

Anyway, the Jerusalem Post was the other source, so...

Re Najaf, there was a battle near there today and the city is reported by Iraqi opposition forces to be in revolt.

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If it is true DanS they won't care anyway.

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Even if it isn't a chemical weapons plant it will be.

Even if it actually is a chem weapons plant, it's irrelevent. Opposition to the war isn't about whether or not Hussein may or may not have had weapons. It's about trying to stop the US from being a global bully.

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whoa wait up you guys. its a pharmaceutical plant which manufactures medicine for the great people of iraq.

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Ah, so we're going the conspiracy route? I think this will be popular in the muslim world.

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NO! Hussein promised !

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The US government still says it bombed a chem wepaons plant in Sudan, why should we trust it now?

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Dan I honestly believe we could find a nuclear bomb intact and people like chegtitz will still write it off.

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che: The Iraqi communist party is supporting the US in this attack. Fall in line!

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It's all part of the "vast right wing conspiracy" Dan. There is no chemical plant. Didn't you see the baby formula sign??

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A chemical plant isn't the same thing as a chem weapons plant.

DanS, the day I start taking orders from the Communist Part is the day I start voting Democratic.

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It's being listed as a chemical weapons plant.

Draped in camoflauge and defending by Iraqi troops. A general and 30 troops surrendered.

Why would they be defending a place like that?

No blood for baby formula!!!

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They are protecting their food supply, dummy.

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U.S. Finds Suspected Iraq Chemical Plant

Mar 23, 8:49 PM (ET)

By MATT KELLEY

WASHINGTON (AP) - U.S. troops have found a suspected chemical factory in Iraq and officials were trying to determine late Sunday whether it was involved in making chemical weapons, U.S. officials said.

The plant is near the city of An Najaf, which U.S. troops reached Sunday on a push to Baghdad, the officials said.

President Bush and other U.S. officials say ridding Saddam Hussein's regime of chemical and biological weapons is the main objective of the war.

Saddam's government denies it has any chemical, biological or nuclear weapons or programs to produce them.

Asked at a news conference in Qatar Sunday about reports of the chemical plant, Lt. Gen. John Abizaid of U.S. Central Command declined comment. He said top Iraqi officers have been questioned about chemical weapons.

"We have an Iraqi general officer, two Iraqi general officers that we have taken prisoner, and they are providing us with information," Abizaid said.

If the plant is confirmed as a chemical weapons factory, it would be the first find by the U.S.-led invasion force validating U.S. allegations that Iraq still has weapons of mass destruction.

Iraqi officials have insisted that they destroyed all of the chemical and biological weapons they made after the 1991 Persian Gulf War - a claim U.N. weapons inspectors have questioned.

U.N. weapons inspectors are not aware of any large-scale chemical sites which could be used to make chemical weapons in An Najaf, said Ewen Buchanan, spokesman for the inspectors. However, there are many such dual-use sites in other parts of the country because of Iraq's petrochemical industry.

U.N. inspectors visited a cement plant in An Najaf earlier this year but did not report finding anything.

The U.S. military's discovery was first reported in the Jerusalem Post, which has a reporter traveling with the unit from the Army's 3rd Infantry Division which reached the chemical plant. The newspaper reported that about 30 Iraqi troops, including a general, surrendered at the plant. (emphasis added)


Right now, all the US government is saying is that it is a suspected chem weapons site, not that it actually is. Don't jump the gun.

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I don't trust Fox... I'll wait until a credible news source reports this. If it's true: Congrats to our Armed Forces for a job well done. It's good to see that intelligence doesn't go down as you go down the chain of command; starting from Commander-In-Chief.

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It's being listed as a chemical weapons plant.

Draped in camoflauge and defending by Iraqi troops. A general and 30 troops surrendered.

Why would they be defending a place like that?


Do you realize how stupid a question this is if you analize it? To defend a chemical weapons plant against the US Third Infantry Division, they're going to guard it with 30 men. How dumb do you think we are?

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That's all part of the perceptions, che. If everybody jumps the gun on the headline, then the impact when they actually do find chemical weapons could be reduced.

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They said 30 men and a general SURRENDERED.

Secondly, why defend it at all? There are plenty of "innocent" targets that could be defended. Why this one?

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Why wouldn't they blow it up if it contained evidence of their wrong doing?

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Maybe they were told to, but decided not to.

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Maybe they didn't have time? Maybe they still needed it?

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It's possible. I'm not ruling it out that it actually is a chem weapons plant, but I'm waiting until there are more facts to go on other than rumors.


"Maybe they still needed it!?!" With a US division within hours of capturing the city, and they're still trying to produce weapons that won't have a chance of being weaponized? You pro-war people will contort yourselves any way possible to justify your war. You have no integrety.

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Hussein has to confirm.

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Maybe they did. Apparently it was booby trapped. 1 US soldier slightly injured

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According to Blair, Hussein was seriously injured in the bunker attack, and Uday was possibly killed. I don't think we'll be hearing much from Hussein.

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IMO, any weapons Saddam has are probably hidden somewhere. And might not be found for years. I doubt Saddam is going to be dumb enough to leave evidence lying around for the Americans to find. And since Fox is a right-wing rag, I'll wait until other sources confirm, deny, or elaborate on the story.

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According to Blair, Hussein was seriously injured in the bunker attack, and Uday was possibly killed. I don't think we'll be hearing much from Hussein.


Blair?? I thought Blair was a "Bush boot-lick".
If Bush lies, Blair must surely lie.

No, we better wait for Saddam. He's the only trustworthy one.
And smart? Smart as a whip.

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Well, Blair's record on accuracy hasn't been very high recently. He's definately going out on a limb claiming these things, however.

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Blair?? I thought Blair was a "Bush boot-lick".
If Bush lies, Blair must surely lie.

No, we better wait for Saddam. He's the only trustworthy one.
And smart? Smart as a whip.


Remember Blair's dossier on Iraq? Yes, that one, the one that's mostly copied from some graduate student's decade old report?

 
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