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MrFun
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of Iowa
Nov 2000
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You know, with all the protests by some Americans against this war in Iraq, veterans and other pro-war Americans are demanding that we all need to respect our military officers and soldiers fighting for our country.
However, many homosexuals believe that for military officials and soldiers to demand respect, the respect has to be mutual. So as far as I'm concerned, homosexual Americans have no obligation to respect those who disrespect us -- even during this war.
Don't tell me that the ridiculous "don't ask, don't tell" policy gives people equality in the military. If heterosexuals can be comfortable in expressing themselves as heterosexuals, we homosexuals are entitled to the same. "Don't ask, don't tell" is just another name for double standards.
Now only that, but the military also squanders its own human resources by evicting those avowed homosexuals who WANT to serve, and have a career in the military.
And about the argument that allowing avowed homosexuals in the military would lower morale?? White supremacists used to argue before and during the Civil Rights movement, that military integration with blacks would lower the morale of soldiers.
Once integration became the policy it became a social norm, over time, for blacks and whites to interact with one another in the military. The same thing would happen, over a period of time, if we allowed avowed homosexuals to serve their country through the military.
So in the meantime, as long as military officials want to squander their own human resources, and force double standards on us through the "don't ask, don't tell" policy, I don't see why homosexual Americans should respect those who do not respect them.
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Guynemer
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Originally posted by Asher
Have you made a post, ever, which was not in some way about homosexuals? |
He posts about the Civil War a lot, too.
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Boris Godunov
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Portland, OR
Aug 2001
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Giving respect to armed services personel--or anyone, for that matter--should come based on their individual merits as human beings, not on their group affiliation. I am not obligated to respect a homosexual who is a blatant racist just because he's a homosexual, nor should I be disrespecting a soldier because he is in the military, and the military has a policy with which I vehemently disagree.
Not respecting the policy is sound, not respecting the soldiers is not sound. No, you shouldn't respect homophobic soldiers, nor racist or sexist ones, etc. But saying you won't respect soldiers as a group is no different than someone saying they don't respect homosexuals as a group because some are nasty, rotten people.
If you want to show your displeasure for DADT, and actually have the possibility of bringing change to the policy, I think summarily not respecting any soldier is not a good way to do such a thing.
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Worthingtons
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Pride Park,Derby
Jan 2002
time: 05:27
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While Equality for all is great, there are times you have to draw the line, and with the Army this is one of them. Many people in the Army are not intelligent (many are of course, but probably more are not) hence them joining the Army. They cannot appreciate that shoe shiners are normal (some struggle to grasp the concept of equality at all) , and trying to impose this on them will not help.
Shirt lifter's cannot really be compared with blacks either. One's ethic origin is a genetic specification, but it's one's own choice whether they want to pack fudge or not. Most people have by now understood that Race is something we're born with, it makes not a jot of difference to most things, and one doesnt have to explain thier colour. Many people however, still do not understand why one actually chooses to be an Uphill gardener, and hence there are going to be morale problems with both the Hetro's and the poo pushers.
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MrFun
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of Iowa
Nov 2000
time: 23:27
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quote:
Originally posted by Boris Godunov
Giving respect to armed services personel--or anyone, for that matter--should come based on their individual merits as human beings, not on their group affiliation. I am not obligated to respect a homosexual who is a blatant racist just because he's a homosexual, nor should I be disrespecting a soldier because he is in the military, and the military has a policy with which I vehemently disagree.
Not respecting the policy is sound, not respecting the soldiers is not sound. No, you shouldn't respect homophobic soldiers, nor racist or sexist ones, etc. But saying you won't respect soldiers as a group is no different than someone saying they don't respect homosexuals as a group because some are nasty, rotten people.
If you want to show your displeasure for DADT, and actually have the possibility of bringing change to the policy, I think summarily not respecting any soldier is not a good way to do such a thing. |
I agree -- homosexual racists are not deserving of respect. And I agree that soldiers and officers who are not homophobic deserve respect.
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Worthingtons
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Pride Park,Derby
Jan 2002
time: 05:27
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Boris, i have found you to be a very decent person here (hence my vote for yous some time back in that hall of fame milarky) but you are too sensative in regards to 'slurs' as you call them. Not long back you took offense to being called Queer, when most homosexual's consider this normal. It's understandable that you're sensative about this issue tho, just wish you were you more chilled about it.
Cheers
Matt
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26-03-2003 08:19
ACK!
If so, then you can say I'm gay 
The two things are unrelated.
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