26-03-2003 08:36									#1
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I want to start a PBEM with the following conditions:

-Small map
-Many small islands
-Temperate climate
-3 billion years (I like mountains)
-4 human players, no AI
-Raging barbarians
-No culturally linked start
-Patch 1.14

It takes longer to find the other players on a watery map but the small map size will compensate for that a bit.

Player 1 - Anatolia - England
Player 2 - Hot_Enamel - Rome
Player 3 - Snotty - India
Player 4 - SirOsis - Greece

Game Closed

Last edited by Masuro on 29-03-2003 at 19:17

	26-03-2003 08:36									#2
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	26-03-2003 17:32									#3
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Put me down for the Romans.

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	26-03-2003 22:06									#4
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Hi there

Im interested in getting in on this game, although it would be my first foray into pbem.

Korea would be my choice for this one.

Snotty128 at hotmail dot com

Im somewhat concerned about the speed of pbem, especially getting the game going in the early stages. Would getting together on a specific night so we could get the early turns out of the way be a viable option?

Also if anyone experienced could point out any potential pitfalls in using the pbem format, I would appreciate it.

	27-03-2003 05:30									#5
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With only four players the game speed should be fairly fast. It all depends on the time zones of the players, of course. If all players are in Eurasia and Oceania then the game should move quickly. About one turn a day or two days at the most. Even with one player in North America it's not that slow. Getting the early turns out of the way by organising a time sounds okay but I don't know how difficult that will be to organise. It will have to be on a Saturday for me.

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They do take a while to get going, but a lot of fun once you get to move units around.

If you are worried, you can always choose to join a game already started. Players drop out of games, and replacement players are often needed.

For Example

Tech trading is the most difficult thing to do....but also the most rewarding.

I am GMT+11.

Use this info to work out the play order...ie the game follows the sun around the world.

	27-03-2003 13:39									#7
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Well, once we get the fourth guy we can see if any of our days match up for the folowing week, although this certainly isnt something we should stress if we cant work out.

Im GMT+0

Ive been playing a number of games over gamespy, and they have been plagued by drop outs. I would kill for a game that lasts well into industrial. This format certainly seems a bit more forgiving with regards to dropouts.

	28-03-2003 10:21									#8
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I like PBEM because you don't need a fast or reliable connection to play. My home computer relies on satellite and phone lines for it's connection so it's reasonably fast but very unreliable. I can usually only play for one hour or less before I lose the connection. Luckily, I save the game every turn and I'm playing with only one human who lives near me. We can just call each other and set up the game again.
I'm involved in two PBEM games (this will be my third) so usually there's no day when I don't get a turn to play. If our fourth player is in Asia or Europe we'll probably get a fairly fast game.

	29-03-2003 04:24									#9
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I'd be interested. Unfortunately I am going to be gone April 1-7. I might be able to take turns during this time if I can install PTW on a computer where I am at.

I notice Anatolia has taken the English. Very fortunate for this setup having Alphabet and Pottery. Well on your way to Map Making!

I check for turns quite regularly so it should go fast if I'm around.

I'd like Greece if possible.

	29-03-2003 04:47									#10
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Thanks for showing interest, SirOsis. One week is not such a long time to be absent in PBEM time.
Does anyone think it's an unfair advantage for the English to be close to map making? I'm willing to go with no cultural abilities if others think that's a good idea.
What should the game order be? I think Hot_Enamel would be first, then me, then Snotty, and then SirOsis. Would you be willing to start the game, Hot_Enamel?

	29-03-2003 05:43									#11
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It made me smile when I saw that the first civ taken was the English. However I think the disbenifit of having the expansionist trait on an islands map would help balance any advantage.

Also I would like to change my civ choice to the Indians. The more I think about it the more I want to try this type of game with these guys.

	29-03-2003 05:49									#12
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quote: Originally posted by Snotty It made me smile when I saw that the first civ taken was the English. However I think the disbenifit of having the expansionist trait on an islands map would help balance any advantage.

That's true. I didn't think about that when I chose the English. I suppose I could change . . . . nah.

quote: Also I would like to change my civ choice to the Indians. The more I think about it the more I want to try this type of game with these guys.

Done.

	29-03-2003 06:08									#13
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Great. So I guess it is a go. My email is sirosis@hotmail.com

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English is fine - you will get map making first, but the expansionist trait will slow you down in the long run.

I can start the game if you all want, but it does not really matter.

Hot_Enamel GMT +11
Anatolia GMT +9
Snotty GMT +0
SirOsis GMT -6

is the same as

Anatolia GMT +9
Snotty GMT +0
SirOsis GMT -6
Hot_Enamel GMT +11

I am OK with any level, but do not know how to bypass the bug that makes every PBEM chieften.

Also, what do you think about creating 4 games for the first round.

We all rate each game, 1st - 4th, and then the one with the lowest score is continued.
This way, we can ensure a really lowsy start can be avoided.

But I am happy either way...lowsy starts are sometimes the most enjoyable.

Just let me know if you want me to crank out the game/(s).

Regs

	29-03-2003 07:18									#15
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I'll start the game, then. I prefer to just have one start unless someone has a very, very bad starting position.
I don't know how to change the level but I suppose it's not that important since there are no AI players.
I'll send to Snotty in a few minutes.

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4000BC sent to Snotty

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4000BC sent to Sirosis.

From all the things i have read on these boards, the only thing that seems to stop the game shifting to cheiftan is the 1.21 patch.

Well, this game got going a lot quicker than I was expecting. Good luck everyone.

	29-03-2003 21:31									#18
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4000BC to Hot_Enamel

	30-03-2003 04:44									#19
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I dont see Anatolia email anywhere....so here is the file


(Ignore the 4000bc - it's really 3950bc)

Attachment: islands-english-anatolia-4000bc.sav
This has been downloaded 1 time(s).

	30-03-2003 06:03									#20
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I can't believe I'm so stupid :0
My e-mail is suro2003 at kornet.net
I downloaded the file from here.

	30-03-2003 06:19									#21
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3950BC sent to Snotty

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3950BC to Sirosis

Anatolia, whatever you wrote in the e-mail got mashed up and shown as a string of odd characters.

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Sent 3950BC.

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quote: Originally posted by Snotty 3950BC to Sirosis Anatolia, whatever you wrote in the e-mail got mashed up and shown as a string of odd characters.

My computer is Korean and the stuff you see in your e-mail is your computer's attempt to display Korean characters. The message is just the text that Windows XP generates when you right-click a file and select 'Send by E-mail'.

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Sent to English 3900bc

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3900BC sent to Snotty

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3900BC sent to Sirosis

	31-03-2003 21:19									#28
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Sent. As for your starting position Hot_Enamel...

I'd prefer to keep going but I know how hard it can be with a bad start. I also like bad starts to see if I can pull a win off nonetheless. Fortunately I am not in that position in this game so it is easier for me to say that right now.

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Should we vote on starting over? I would start over if my starting position was all desert or tundra but if I had at least plains I would keep going. Can you tell us more about your position?

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From Memory ( I am at work)

My visible tiles are

Hill - Hill - Hill - Hill
Hill - Hill
Desert
Plain


I am on a tiny penisula.
I could of spent 3-4 rounds sending my settler over the hills I guess....

I started the city on the desert.
The plains have a bonus wheat

I recreated my land in the Civ3 editor.
Rome has a max population of 3....and VERY slow growth.

I will pop out my 1st settler around when you guys a looking at your 3rd city.

And I have no idea whats over those hills yet....maybe more hills & mountains ? Maybe desert ? Maybe Eden ?


I got the file from SirOsis this morning and played the game. I also enjoy the tough starts, but this one is really rough.

I can post a pic of the start tonight.
But if the votes to push on, then I will just live with it.

Regs