29-03-2003 12:05									#1
	Turn 30 Support Apolyton

To be edited by the Consuls and Ministers.

Status:
- Researching Warrior Code decrease to 80%, ready in 8 turns.
- Luxury Slider increase to 20%
- 33 gold cash, -2 gpt.

Urgent questions:
- need names for W4 & W5 (+ for the Worker, too?)
- Is W5 going to stick around to protect the settler? If so, he can only move 1 more tile, most likely. Direction 7 will give a good view of the bay. Direction 1 will show an additional jungle tile and a smaller part of the bay. Where to from here?

Military:
Bigfree the Warrior fortifies.
Alva the Warrior moves 6.
Theseus the Warrior fortified in Apolyton.
W5 oredered to move 1. Then Hewie showed up.

Economy:
Apolyton building a settler.
Apolyton to size 5.
Move labourer from forest to coast.

Workers
Worker Dan mining (2nd turn).

Diplomacy:
CDG: NAP in effect. Negotiating future tech swap.
GCA: NAP in effect (fm Turn 29). Negotiating future tech swap.

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Discussion and basic reporting to follow. See the topped thread for comprehensive results.

Last edited by notyoueither on 01-04-2003 at 07:45

	29-03-2003 12:25									#2
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I think that DarkCloud has posted a 'names' list. nye, you can just name the units in game as they are built using this name list. We should be beyond the point of calling them by number by now. I think W4 is supposed to be Theseus and the worker is supposed to be Dan (according to the DC stories.) Name for W5??? Come on people submit a name already, don't be bashful. use this thread right here: Name Proposal's


I do think we need to pull that Warrior back to protect the Settler, it may be only one turn, but I should would hate to suffer a loss like that on the fate of one turn. I say he comes back, provides cover until another Warrior can be built in the new city.


I think we should move WAlva 6, up on the hill for a peak.


I also think that ice cream should be free on Sundays.

	29-03-2003 12:39									#3
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The new city is slated for a Merc. 10 turns without a garrison?

	29-03-2003 16:50									#4
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quote: Originally posted by BigFree Come on people submit a name already, don't be bashful. use this thread right here: Name Proposal's

Nope, it's this one:

Minister of Lexicography

	29-03-2003 18:07									#5
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I think W'BigFree should go south as quickly as possible now preferably following the coastline so that he can try and spot that (other?) landmass. He can rest once he has found CFC.

	30-03-2003 00:46									#6
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quote: Originally posted by BigFurryMonster Nope, it's this one: Minister of Lexicography

BFM, I was hoping that people wouldn't use the thread you linked for suggestions. I was hoping that that thread would remain a thread for only DarkCloud to edit in names from the other thread so that the Consuls could use it for retrieving names. One thread already had suggestions in it; I didn't see a reason why there should be two threads that had name suggestions in it.

Oh well......My efforts have been thwarted.

	30-03-2003 01:56									#7
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Can someone tell me why it seems that Firaxis won't play turns on the weekends?
Do they lack a place to meet and talk about the game; and thus can only play at work?

	30-03-2003 02:22									#8
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I've noticed that we have, in some places in this forum, made known the acronym for each team. Some are missing. On the 'time counter' set up by 1BC they have a list of what the acronyms are for each team, I guess they decided them. They look pretty good to me. We need our team members that are responsible for the upkeep of their own threads to update them to include these known acronyms. This will help avoid confusion in the future.

The acronyms are as follows:

GCA = India = GameCatcher Alliance
FIR = Egypt = Firaxis
CDG = Persia = Creative Design Group
CGN = Ottomans = Civilization Gaming Network
APO = Carthage = Apolyton
CFC = China = CivFanatics Center
GWT= Arabs = German Webring Team
GRE = France = Grenouille Team

	30-03-2003 03:26									#9
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quote: Originally posted by BigFree Can someone tell me why it seems that Firaxis won't play turns on the weekends? Do they lack a place to meet and talk about the game; and thus can only play at work?

Not all weekends, BF. This weekend. They must have something on.

They have actually been one of the quickest teams on turn around.

	30-03-2003 03:37									#10
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oops. Sorry, I've been behind on the story

I think that BigFurryWarrior would be a great name for the next warrior

the one after him can be Hagbart

Thanks for using the names- I'll try to do a story edition soon.

	30-03-2003 03:38									#11
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Thanks nye. Maybe they are a having a group getaway/bonding session; a precursor to getting started on Civ 4! :hopeful:

	30-03-2003 04:26									#12
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Dramatis Personae

Ruler/Governor of Apolyton
Markos G. - Embattled and sometimes nihilistic leader of a great empire.

Consuls
vondrack- fiery, dark consul

notyoueither- evil, sadistic consul. Wears bright colors, however. Speaks with a canadian accent.

MrWhereItsAt-

Ministers
Trip- Minister of War. "Drill Sergeant"

Togas- Foreign Minister. Wears a toga.

Dominae- blonde curly locks, roman-style. Even-tempered. Minister of Internal Affairs

oliver- exceedingly competent. Quite bland and banal.

Units
WorkerDan- Temporary name for the worker.
Settler Dan- Temporary name for the first theoretical settler

1- Warrior BetaHound- "He BetaHound. He crush skull" DECEASED TURN 14/15
2- Warrior bigfree- slightly frightened
3- Warrior Alva- cosmopolitan city defender
4- Warrior Theseus-
5- Warrior BigFurryWarrior-

Citizens
DarkCloud- "idiotic citizen" as per Markos' description

Ninot- Monocled. Regally robed flamboyant Consul OVERTHROWN & EXILED TURN 28/29

	30-03-2003 04:26									#13
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"I have word that Warrior Theseus is heading south in a plan to "shock and awe" the CDGers into submission. They will have to enter into our pact and respect it if they see such force arrayed against them." oliver, Master of Intelligence stated blandly, holding a long scroll of dried parchment before him.

"Very good. All is going according to schedule." War Minister Trip pushed back his hair and nodded. "We have two of our four warriors infiltrating the enemy lands, we have one exploring the peninsula, and we have the green troop, BigFurryWarrior, fortified in our citadel. Everything is going according to plan."

Trip reached into a nearby jar and drew out a smidgen of spice. "Ah, the eastern spices." He smiled, looking at the purely ground white substance. "This will be our army's lifeblood. We will trade spice for iron."

"Ah, blood and iron. It always comes down to that way, does it not?" oliver replied.

"Yes, yes it does." Trip rubbed the spice between his fingers. "Trade begats power; and power begats envy... and envy... begats war."

"I will see to it that we know our enemies actions before they make a move." oliver declared.

"Good. Report their every move to me." Trip nodded, then waved oliver away.

Oliver bowed and left.

*

THE APOLYTONIAN EXTRA
... four of Consul Ninot's closest friends were killed yesterday in a raid upon the Consul's apartments in upper Apolyton City. It is said that they died defending the door to the Consul's apartments after the posted guards turned traitor.
... Following that, the Consul and his family were captured and shipped out of the city in a wheat caravan to the peninsula. A few days later, several of his other supporters were given the same treatment...
Sources say that the other Consuls had a hand in this as Ninot's conciliatory tones and measures had been an obstacle to their search for power."

"We will need to elect a replacement." Consul notyoueither declared, sitting around a nearly empty table

"D*** the constitution, we can rule together." Consul Vondrack slammed down on the desk with his curled fist.

"If we do not elect a replacement, the people will riot."

"Who cares what the people think- we cannot let our powers decline. We must be seen as strong." Vondrack declared.

"And we will- at least in their eyes, as long as we seem to serve the CONSTITUTION rather than the PEOPLE. WE both know that the people do not want to be served. We know that the people want to be lorded over and controled. They have no time to bother with elections and the such, nor have they the information. And we must keep this status as the quo. Therefore, we must appoint a new consul."

"Very well. Perhaps that might be the correct idea- but I like it not." Vondrack crossed his arms definatly.

"But it is necessary." Notyoueither declared and walked to a nearby chalkboard, picking up a finely cut piece of pink chalk. Notyouetiher considered the board, then bent forward and began scratching at the surface of the board.

"The way I see it," he stated. "We have two choices."

"There is one, the leader of the Democratic Party, this Mr.WhereItsAt... it is said that he is competent and served his party with distinction- but it is also said that he has some experience with cronism, nepotism and the like, so he should be easy to unmake... Then there is this other, redfern. I know little about him, but have heard that he is involved with some of the organized crime in Apolyton- so he too, should be easy to unmake, should he prove unmalleable to our plans."

"Neither are good choices." Vondrack spat.

"Neither may be good choices, but they are the only choices- the other, E_T, has already declared that he has no intention of superseding MrWhereItsAts claim to the party chairmanship... and if we passed over the chairman for the subordiante, we could run into risky revolutionary business."

"Neither are good choices." Vondrack repeated. "But," He declared. "I will have nothing to do with organized crime. In fact, I think we should use our leverage against redfern now to have him arrested and exiled. Apolyton, in these harsh times, cannot deal with a possible bribeable spy for the other side."

"Then, you support MrWhereItsAt?" Notyoueither leaned across the table and asked.

"Yes, I support him." Vondrack scowled. "What other choice do I have. He will have no power anyway. We already control the ministries and the winds of war- at best he might advise Emperor Markos against our wishes; and if he does that, we can easily throw him down."

"You have made a good decision." Consul Notyoueither nodded conspiratorially.

*

"Fifty one moskeetos."

"Fifty two moskeetos."

"Fifty ****ing three moskeetos."

Warrior Alva, son of the richest man in Apolyton smacked the bloodsucking insect on his arm and counted.

"Fifty four moskeetos." He cursed.

"Dee Rewards of dis peninsula must be proportional to the--- FIFTY FIVE MOSKEETOS- pain that I have to endure because of dese- FIFTY SIX MOSKEETOS!"

He screamed in pain as another mosquito bit him on the leg, then flourished his arm to his side and drew his sword. Unsheathing it, he reached down and smacked the bug onto the silver, then resheathed the sword.

*

"Foreign Warrior scream in anger... belike he be some berserker?" The barbarian stared at the incoming warrior with wonder.

"Belike I dare attack him?" The Barbarian wondered, scratching his head.

*

"All these foreigners, they make me want to scream- Treaty this, and Non-Agression pact that- I feel as though I have just spent the past few years back in Governemntal Civics class again!" Warrior Bigfree lamented as he moved through the jungle, still heading south.

"What's with these Elucidians and Gamecatcheese- why do they have to bother me so much- builiding cities behind me on the route, cutting me off from my family. Waahhh. I dislike being away from Apolyton for so long... I want to go HOME!" Bigfree stamped his foot in the mud impatiently, driving it down. He took a step forward... And failed to move; straining with all his might, he struggled to lift the foot.

"Why must there be so much jungle!" He screamed as he pulled at his leg, struggling to draw it up from the sticking mud.

*

"We are losing Gold, my liege." Dominae, Minister of Internal Affairs bowed to Emperor Markos.

"But we are researching Warrior Code-" Markos declared.

"It will be ready in eighttime." He stated.

"But in that time we will have lost- 16 gold!" Dominae declared, throwing up his hands to illustrate the point. "All that gold will be *poof* gone! Never to be recovered! Never to be used to quick-buy weapons for our warriors! Never!"

"But we will have Warrior Code, and the ability to build archers." Markos declared.

"Please, understand me- it is imperative that you do!" Dominae stated, bringing his hands together as if in prayer. "Please, this must not go on for more than threetime... War is not this important."

"We must discover more technologies for trade." Markos declared.

"But can we not trade the ones we have already instead of foolishly wasting gold on current research projects?" Dominae pleaded.

"I will think on this." Emperor Markos declared, rising from his throne. "Audience complete." He stated, clapping his hands.

Dominae bit his lip, bowed, and backed out of the room.

*

Warrior Bigfree read the invoice "Onward Apolytonian Soldier- to the southern nation of which we have heard. We must make contact with them and discover new advances. It is imperative to our future efforts." Signed, oliver.

He whined. "Now I can't go home for a full 50 more years!" then crumpled the note and continued south.

*

Last edited by DarkCloud on 30-03-2003 at 04:34

	30-03-2003 04:30									#14
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sorry that Worker Dan, Theseus, and BigFurryWarrior didn't get any special playtime in the story, but I couldn't think of antying interesting to write about them-- although the latter 2 were mentioned in passing

	30-03-2003 11:23									#15
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It's always a delight to read your latest DC, I'm already anticipating the next.

	30-03-2003 16:20									#16
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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither Not all weekends, BF. This weekend. They must have something on. They have actually been one of the quickest teams on turn around.

* FrustratedPoet starts plotting crazy theories about some secret project at Firaxis that has caused them all to be too busy working this weekend to play their turn.

	30-03-2003 22:14									#17
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Suggestions for Turn 30:

Capital size 5
Luxuries 20%
new Laborer from Forest to Coast
16S, 0F

It is important to put a Laborer on the Coast, because 20% Luxuries will not be sufficient to keep Apolyton happy with less Commerce output.


Dominae

	31-03-2003 06:21									#18
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Could someone point me to the border agreement with CDG (assuming we have one)? I need it for reference with city placement.


Dominae

	31-03-2003 10:10									#19
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Here it is Dom. It got kinda buried when I changed nick's. It was ratified by CDG on 3/19 (turn 21).

quote: APOLYTONIA AND ELUCIDIA HEREBY AGREE: That we are brothers, separated by only a jungle, and bound together in our common desire to survive and prosper. We wish for there to be peace between us, and in order to ensure that peace we hereby agree to the following: 1) There shall be no war or conflict between us. Our units shall not attack each other, nor shall they enter the cultural borders of the other party without permission. This shall be considered a Non-Aggression Pact. 2) Our settlers shall not settle within the cultural borders of the other nation. CDG settlers shall not move more than 5 tiles from Elucidia in the Northeast direction before founding a new CDG city. Apolyton settlers shall not move more than 5 tiles from Apolyton in the Southwest direction before founding a new Apolytonian city. 3) The warrior BigFree shall remain in place until turn 23, and at that time he may move south to make contact with the Gamecatcher Alliance. Once this contact is made, he shall not retrace his steps, he may only explore south of the GCA nation. Any attempt by CDG to block the warrior BigFree’s movement will be seen as a hostile act and a violation of the Non-Aggression Pact. 4) Should the warrior BigFree make contact with any other nations, Apolyton shall immediately inform CDG of this fact. 5) This agreement shall last 30 turns after it is ratified by both parties. This agreement shall be open for renegotiation after 25 turns have passed.

	31-03-2003 10:16									#20
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Thanks BigFree. So that border proposal which put a dividing line in the jungle between us and CDG never materialized? Which means we can place our cities wherever we want (within reason)?


Dominae

	31-03-2003 10:23									#21
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Actually it did come to fruition. it wasn't as bad as we thought. Here's a link to a map that Trip made regarding the agreement. I made a map too, but his was muuuuch better!

Trip's CDG agreement map

	31-03-2003 10:35									#22
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Which map did we agree upon, the one with the 2-tile no-man's land are the one without it? Considering how important this is from the Interior's perspective, I'm surprised no one really mentions it in any of the relevant threads, including the diplomatic summary ones.


Dominae

	31-03-2003 10:40									#23
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No one can settle in the area titled "no man's land". we are restricted to settling within 5 tiles South-East of our Capitol. CDG is similary restricted and they can't settle outside of 5 tiles North-West of their Capitol.

	31-03-2003 11:31									#24
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quote: Originally posted by FrustratedPoet FrustratedPoet starts plotting crazy theories about some secret project at Firaxis that has caused them all to be too busy working this weekend to play their turn.

They're reading the PTW manual.

	31-03-2003 14:08									#25
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I would hope they are off on a 'PTW is doing good, let's party and talk about the next expansion' weekend.

	01-04-2003 05:55									#26
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This is beginning to feel a bit like Lux Invicta's early dealings with NDE. Lets not let our military guard down, regardless of the outcome of this deal.

	01-04-2003 07:26									#27
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Status:

Barb appeared 7 7 7 from Apolyton.

GCA warrior moved 9 (NE). Is now on hill 6 from Wbigfree.

Scores:
GCA: 77
Fir: 55
CDG: 59
CGN: 88
ACS: 57 <-- Us
CFC: 62
Ger: 80
Fre: 57

/Edit to add shot.
/Edit to add scores, since neither of the screen shots show them. See vondrack's thread for comprehensive results.

Last edited by notyoueither on 01-04-2003 at 08:48

	01-04-2003 07:50									#28
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Good thing the GCA Warior moved, else we would've had to send them a nasty note!

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Actions:
Apolyton size 5. Moved labourer from forest to coast.
Researching Warrior Code decreased to 80%, ready in 7 turns still.
Luxury Slider increased to 20%

W4 renamed Theseus the Warrior.

Bigfree the Warrior fortifies.
Alva the Warrior moves 6. Hut at 9 on hill.
Theseus the Warrior fortified in Apolyton.
W5 moves 1. Sees jungle and mountains.

Apolyton production altered from Settler (in 2 turns) to Barracks (in 4 turns). This allows us the possibility of getting a Settler from the hut that alva found if we decide to pop it next turn. The production will be reset next turn, after the hut is popped, if we pop it.