29-03-2003 21:14									#1
	Political Citystates Poll Remove this text

To get this started we need to determine how many Human Team Factions we want. We will most likely give the AI civs much larger continents and super cheap settlers to maintain a balace of power with the Human civs.

1) 8 Human, No AI
1) 7 Human, 1 AI
1) 6 Human, 2 AI
1) 5 Human, 3 AI
1) 4 Human, 4 AI
1) 3 Human, 5 AI
1) 2 Human, 6 AI
1) 1 Human, 7 AI

Poll is open for 5 days.

Primary difference between this and the PTW Demo game is ALL team discussion will be out in the open with no team forum. Of course it will be interesting to see if the PTW teams form poltical parties and plot secret schemes in their forums.

Lying, stealing, treaty breaking are all LEGAL. This isn't about ethics this is about taking out agression on your friends, countrymen, and enemies.

One central island with ONE city per team to represent the homeland will be offlimits to attack by "legitimate forces" from other teams. Several units are labeled as "hidden nationality" so attacks from these would be allowed.

Those who have expressed interest in playing this game
(those who have commented but have not stated they wish to be involved):
GhengisFarb
Wittlich
Vlad Antlerkov
Togas
(Aidun) - posted in the other thread
((ManicStarSeed - Mapmaker))
=OttomusCeasar=
(Calc II) - posted in the other thread
mjmacy
Kickbooti
Thrumble
(ZargonX) - posted in this poll
Octavian X
(Trip)
Darekill

Last edited by GhengisFarb on 30-03-2003 at 18:24

	29-03-2003 22:41									#2
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I voted for 6 Human, 2 AI ... But I do like the option of 4 Human and 4 AI. To bad we can't vote for more than 1.

	29-03-2003 23:32									#3
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quote: Originally posted by Wittlich I voted for 6 Human, 2 AI ... But I do like the option of 4 Human and 4 AI. To bad we can't vote for more than 1.

You could have voted for the middle ground - 5 Human and 3 AI........

	30-03-2003 02:05									#4
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Good point GF.

	30-03-2003 02:15									#5
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I went with 5-3. Seems like the best ratio to me, personally.

	30-03-2003 02:36									#6
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I voted 5-3

	30-03-2003 06:41									#7
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6-2.

(If I were to be involved, it'd be very limited. See, this coming term, I've got this huge history paper due about halfway through, which will suck up all my free time. So, um, don't expect to see much of me until mid-May. )

	30-03-2003 13:01									#8
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4-4 would make for a better challenge...

I thought I posted that I was interested, or is this closed to members of CFC's democracy game?

Last edited by Octavian X on 30-03-2003 at 13:07

	30-03-2003 13:11									#9
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Octavian: I see no reason why you can't join in. You're a member here, just like you're a member at CFC. Well, sort of.

It's not like I post exclusively at Apolyton anyways.

I'm not sure which to vote. I'm tempted to go for 4-4, but 5-3 might be good also if we get enough people.

	30-03-2003 13:32									#10
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I guess you can't have near 3,000 posts in every forum.

Still, Trip has a point. Considering that there are less that 15 interested people, a 5-3 ratio might be kind of ackward...

	30-03-2003 13:34									#11
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I have 5500 here and 550 at CFC. At least I'm keeping the ratio the same.

That's part of the reason I was thinking 4-4... if we could find more interested people, then 5-3 would work, but as it stands now, we'd only have 2/3 people per team, and how many of them would be active? Througout the PTW DG, at least half of every team is inactive.

	30-03-2003 15:24									#12
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Would i be acceptable as a member?
i'd not be overly active but it sounds like fun and if my english isn't all too bad i'd like to take part.

	30-03-2003 15:25									#13
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We're attracting all sorts of interesting people. All we need now is Sid Meier.

I'm sure no one would have any problems with you joining, Darekill, just like with Octavian.

	30-03-2003 18:28									#14
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quote: Originally posted by Octavian X I thought I posted that I was interested, or is this closed to members of CFC's democracy game?

That's the thread for the second Citystates game. This one has all the human citystates start on one island together and then we have to go out and explore the world.

Aidun's game starts everyone just like normal you simply have a large central original Citystate that dominates your civ (if I understand it correctly).

Octavian X, Trip and Darekill added. We will probably get more people signing up as we go and start playing though.


If we played Mass Regicide each one of us would have a unit of our own in the game................

	30-03-2003 18:46									#15
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quote: Originally posted by GhengisFarb If we played Mass Regicide each one of us would have a unit of our own in the game................

That would be cool!

	01-04-2003 03:44									#16
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Wow, I created a random map and then built the central island in the middle to see how the game went (although I did set a lot more AI since it was single player PTW, AND I made them all Amazon civs since it was just a simulation) and those little ladies spread like wildfire. By the time I had made first contact they had 30+ cities each! Of course the AI Citystates didn't help any as they were to busy attacking and ambushing one another with the Hidden Nationality units.

It was pretty pathetic, I place one of each luxury in the middle so that someone could build a city and have some luxuries. But everytime one civ would venture out to build a colony the other four would jump it from all directions with their Hidden Nationality units.

	01-04-2003 04:21									#17
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sounds fun!

	01-04-2003 04:27									#18
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The thing that amazed me most is HOW WELL the AI used the Hidden Nationality units. They would take some of the cheap Hidden Nationality ones and march out to the target under the cover of their highest defense non-Hidden Nationality unit so that you could only attack the tile by either declaring war or with a Hidden Nationality of your own. Then their Hidden Nationality units would jump you from the protection of their heavy defender.

	01-04-2003 06:40									#19
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how good are the hidden nationality units?

	02-04-2003 00:45									#20
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I don't see how to play an MP game without private forums.

	02-04-2003 10:53									#21
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The Labor Party and DIA in the Democracy game were able to compete without private forums. I think this is supposed to be something along those lines.

	03-04-2003 00:47									#22
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Please, count me in!!!

	05-04-2003 22:35									#23
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I missed the poll, but I think that about half the civs should be human, and the other hlaf AIs, so for the poll results it's not too bad

	05-04-2003 22:44									#24
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It looks like we will be going with 5 Human and Six AI. Various people are playtesting mod versions to simulate the Citystates setup and as soon as we get an approved system we can start it up.

	08-04-2003 02:41									#25
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quote: Originally posted by GhengisFarb It looks like we will be going with 5 Human and Six AI. Various people are playtesting mod versions to simulate the Citystates setup and as soon as we get an approved system we can start it up.

Don't you mean 5 human and 3 AI?
Mss

	08-04-2003 03:59									#26
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If I am right, this is a new game starting, but i tend to get confused, can i join? if it is new.......