04-04-2003 10:34									#1
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ever encounter one of those accursed Direct X Surface Unavailable errors?

I will agree that the Beta testers aren't responsible for the cruddy interface and the screwed up AI (I won't agree they weren't responsible for 150 Transports or not noticing the PD bug). But, did any of them ever encounter the Direct X errors?

How could they have tested this ... thing without encountering one of those errors?

What did they do when they were testing this piece of crap? Was their charge to make it past 100 turns?

Hell the slightest little hiccup in the OS will cause a Direct X error when you get past 400 turns.

I'm about sick of this game and I'm certainly sick of the incompenents at QS.

And still no GD patch!!!

	04-04-2003 11:24									#2
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* H Tower yawns

QS knew about the problem with DirectX, they just couldn't fix it in time for launch, something about being way over budget and a couple years late.

	05-04-2003 14:03									#3
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quote: Originally posted by PaulNAdhe ever encounter one of those accursed Direct X Surface Unavailable errors? I will agree that the Beta testers aren't responsible for the cruddy interface and the screwed up AI (I won't agree they weren't responsible for 150 Transports or not noticing the PD bug). But, did any of them ever encounter the Direct X errors? How could they have tested this ... thing without encountering one of those errors? What did they do when they were testing this piece of crap? Was their charge to make it past 100 turns? Hell the slightest little hiccup in the OS will cause a Direct X error when you get past 400 turns. I'm about sick of this game and I'm certainly sick of the incompenents at QS. And still no GD patch!!!

I have the direct X error also than I found lowering your graphic setting in the opion help. I lower mine from hight to medium setting.

	07-04-2003 14:33									#4
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I have heard that they had a big problem with the Betas. Someone already said it. The Betas just give their input. It is up to the developer to make changes. The betas HAD TO notice these things. Its QS who didnt do a thing about it.

About the PD bug, I can see 20 hyped up beta tester not noticing that their PD weapons fire. I mean, they were most likely winnig al the time anyway, with or without PD weapons.

	12-04-2003 09:30									#5
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I'd be willing to believe that the testers were giving their honest input and being ignored except that they are all conspicous by their absence. Hard to believe none of them frequent forums.

	12-04-2003 15:31									#6
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It about time we stop blamely the betra tester, they did they job.

	13-04-2003 09:01									#7
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We are only guessing that in the absence of any comments from the testers themselves.
With what we know (or can guess) so far I would tend to agree with you but the silence IS deafening.

	16-04-2003 14:37									#8
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That sounds pretty tedious. Hmm... maybe I have to seriously concider dropping the idea of MoO3.

	17-04-2003 09:47									#9
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quote: Originally posted by Rasbelin That sounds pretty tedious. Hmm... maybe I have to seriously concider dropping the idea of MoO3.

	17-04-2003 12:49									#10
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quote: Originally posted by Rasbelin That sounds pretty tedious. Hmm... maybe I have to seriously concider dropping the idea of MoO3.

There some MOO2 player who want MOO2.5 not MOO3.
I play MOO1 and MOO2. MOO3 is alot closer to MOO1 in many point. In MOO1 you where able to change the % in each research field out of than total of 100 %. In MOO2 you
where allow to research 1 field at than time only. It a great
game I like it.

	17-04-2003 20:24									#11
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quote: Originally posted by Rasbelin That sounds pretty tedious. Hmm... maybe I have to seriously concider dropping the idea of MoO3.

I've only had Direct X surface unavailable errors when I've had to alt-tab to another app or the windows desktop for whatever reason. During normal play, I've never had one occur that wasn't a result of my own interaction with the OS.

MoO3 has some annoying flaws, but there is such a dearth of TBS games at all, and it IS MoO, so I still find it fun, despite it's idiosyncrasies. I avoid a lot of the annoyances by total micromanagement, but that's how I've played all TBS games. I find MoO3 less buggy and annoying than SMAC, for example, which has been shelfware for a long time.

	18-04-2003 05:23									#12
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quote: Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat MoO3 has some annoying flaws, but there is such a dearth of TBS games at all, and it IS MoO

And Batman Forever was Batman,
and Attack of the Clones was Star Wars,
and CTP2 was Call to Power (okay, bad example ...)

MoO3 in its present form sucks. I'll wait and see if the real patch fixes anything (if it ever comes out), but I'm not holding my breath.

And before CharlesBHoff starts in again, I think MoO3 as is could have been a good game if the damn thing worked!

As it is, its broken. After on so called patch its still broken. Will another patch fix it? I'm not holding out any great hope.

	18-04-2003 07:29									#13
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The data patch, by it's nature, is really minimal. There's not much that can be done without a code fix.

Actually, a lot of things really need to be redesigned, but my point is you've got what you've got, you can either accept it for what it is, or go dig out that MoO or MoO II CD.

It's like the Star Trek spin-off series and the movies - you can either take what you get, watch "The Trouble with Tribbles" for the billionth time, or just give up.

GalCiv looks real interesting, and I'll pick it up within the next week or two, but there's just not a lot out there I'm finding much interest in.

If there was a wealth of TBS games out there, then MoO3 would likely sink pretty fast.

	18-04-2003 13:44									#14
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After reading CBH's and MtG's posts, I'm getting abit interested. However right now I'll just wait for RoN and see later on if MoO3 would be a good buy.

	19-04-2003 01:18									#15
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quote: Originally posted by The Templar And Batman Forever was Batman, and Attack of the Clones was Star Wars, and CTP2 was Call to Power (okay, bad example ...) MoO3 in its present form sucks. I'll wait and see if the real patch fixes anything (if it ever comes out), but I'm not holding my breath. And before CharlesBHoff starts in again, I think MoO3 as is could have been a good game if the damn thing worked! As it is, its broken. After on so called patch its still broken. Will another patch fix it? I'm not holding out any great hope.

I than no fanboy there is than limit to what than data patch can do without than code patch and some of the fixes in the data patch need the code patch to take effect.

	19-04-2003 03:16									#16
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I've heard we have a few more weeks to wait yet.

	30-04-2003 08:32									#17
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Broken? I think thats a poor choice of words.

PD bug, yes a bug to be fixed.
Direct-X error, yes a bug too, but there are many many games you cannot even ALT-TAB out of at all, and no one seems to care about it.

Other than that, I think the game plays just fine.

I didnt like it at first, and put it on the shelf. Its now two months since I bought it and I cant get enough of it. I love this game. So much better than Civ3 CTP2.

I never did like Civ1 and 2 or SMAC.

My only problem with beta testers is that they all must have been really bad players...

But thats ok cause we get an epic multiplayer, without, I might add, having to pay another 30 bucks for it like Civ3 (that was just disgusting they pulled that crap and I'll never buy another of their product).

	30-04-2003 20:30									#18
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I'm beginning to think many new settlers are shills ...

quote: Originally posted by Yushal Al Dai Broken? I think thats a poor choice of words. PD bug, yes a bug to be fixed. Direct-X error, yes a bug too, but there are many many games you cannot even ALT-TAB out of at all, and no one seems to care about it.

I thought a bug was how software is broken.

quote: Other than that, I think the game plays just fine.

So you like the AI, the diplomacy, the entirely ****ed up way in which the ship construction window works ...

quote: I didnt like it at first, and put it on the shelf. Its now two months since I bought it and I cant get enough of it. I love this game. So much better than Civ3 CTP2. I never did like Civ1 and 2 or SMAC.

Didn't like Civ2!? Told you this guy was a shill.

quote: But thats ok cause we get an epic multiplayer, without, I might add, having to pay another 30 bucks for it like Civ3 (that was just disgusting they pulled that crap and I'll never buy another of their product).

Only shills say things like "epic multiplayer". Did you used to go under the name 'Jonah Falcon'? Oh, and Civ3 ruled, shill.

	01-05-2003 10:52									#19
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"Over the last several weeks we have heard from the war criminals who purport the illusion that our software has not been tested. To them I say, I now inform you that you are too far from reality! I tell you that we spared no expense to hire the best minds from the LA general hospital coma ward. The infidels who oppose us will drink poison and die before the free employees of our glorious company."

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	02-05-2003 10:20									#20
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Kahn... That has to be without a doubt the funniest posting i have seen on Apolyton!!! Even your choice of phases was perfect

	02-05-2003 13:24									#21
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quote: Originally posted by The Templar I thought a bug was how software is broken.

The phrase "bug" originated back in the ENIAC days and was used to indicate a hardware problem. (A bug literally got stuck in the machine and shorted something).

	02-05-2003 13:33									#22
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quote: Originally posted by Vince278 The phrase "bug" originated back in the ENIAC days and was used to indicate a hardware problem. (A bug literally got stuck in the machine and shorted something).

Since they programs where hardcode into the machine also by rewireing the board it can also mean programming problem.

	02-05-2003 20:45									#23
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quote: Originally posted by Vince278 The phrase "bug" originated back in the ENIAC days and was used to indicate a hardware problem. (A bug literally got stuck in the machine and shorted something).

I guess QS can always roll back the clock to this definition and say "see, no bugs! This game is (definitionally) bug free."

Of course I've read around here that the above is essentially the attitude of tech support anyway.

	02-05-2003 21:51									#24
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Firaxis took that position with SMAC, and it's actually pretty common in the industry to assume that a claimed "bug" is nothing more than a user problem.

	04-05-2003 02:27									#25
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quote: Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat Firaxis took that position with SMAC, and it's actually pretty common in the industry to assume that a claimed "bug" is nothing more than a user problem.

Or a "feature"!

	04-05-2003 14:17									#26
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There are time that people who cry bug are wrong. I remember some people who cry that the Comodor C64 have
than save and replace bug it actical work the way it was meant to work it save the file under than temp name before
deleteing the old file which you want to replace and then it rename the temp file to the one you replace and delete..
Some uncomputer writer assume it delete the old file first and then save the file you want to 5 1/4 inch disk.

	07-05-2003 09:35									#27
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quote: Originally posted by CharlesBHoff Since they programs where hardcode into the machine also by rewireing the board it can also mean programming problem.

I believe a hardcoding error is still a hardware problem, not software. (but it can be considered a wetware problem if you take the programmer into account )

Now that I think about it I remember having a small computer in a box back in the early 70's were you hardcoded by plugging wires into a pegboard console. It was extremely frustrating to use but one learned alot about programming the hard way.

I also hated the PCs where you had to load cassette tapes of software into RAM before you could do anything.

	07-05-2003 12:46									#28
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quote: Originally posted by Vince278 I believe a hardcoding error is still a hardware problem, not software. (but it can be considered a wetware problem if you take the programmer into account ) Now that I think about it I remember having a small computer in a box back in the early 70's were you hardcoded by plugging wires into a pegboard console. It was extremely frustrating to use but one learned alot about programming the hard way. I also hated the PCs where you had to load cassette tapes of software into RAM before you could do anything.

The first computer have no memony so you have to change the entire wireing of the vaccun tude computer after you wrote down whatever value it has in one storage place. The
first home computer have to have cassette tapes as than disk drive cost than alots of money the cheapest one was between 1000 to 2000 dollars.

	08-05-2003 09:52									#29
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It is utterly amazing how much we have progressed in such a short amount of time. I think my watch is better than most home (and some other) computers up to the mid-late 70's.

	08-05-2003 17:36									#30
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Kahn, you rule Period.

Now try posting that on IGMoo, that is, the ATARI forum....