07-04-2003 22:16									#91
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You're still confusing immigrants with asylum seekers. It is not a requirement to be poor to be the subject of persecution.

	07-04-2003 22:45									#92
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The BNP is small enough to be just amusing, right? No danger of them actually attaining real power, is there?

-Arrian

	07-04-2003 22:47									#93
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They can influence. You don't need to hold power to be able to use it.

	07-04-2003 23:00									#94
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quote: Originally posted by Lazarus and the Gimp You're still confusing immigrants with asylum seekers. It is not a requirement to be poor to be the subject of persecution.

Absolutely, it's often the rich and well educated who are persecuted, especially if they try and speak out against a regime, or if the regime is worried about them trying to oust it.

	07-04-2003 23:11									#95
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quote: Originally posted by Arrian The BNP is small enough to be just amusing, right? No danger of them actually attaining real power, is there? -Arrian

They win the occasional city or district council seat, and usually only in the Ignorant North ( ).

The chances of them holding 'real power' are absolute zero, although their increasing prominence over the past few years is of concern (which is why Bods says that mainstream parties are coming under pressure to grab some of those votes by being tougher on immigrants).

	07-04-2003 23:23									#96
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So the main concern is the BNP dragging other parties to the right to make sure they don't lose votes?

In electoral terms is the BNP to the Tories what the Lib Dems are to Labour (in the sense that the BNP is right of the Tories and the LDs are left of Labor, and thus could steal votes from the more radical arms of the major parties)?

-Arrian

	07-04-2003 23:23									#97
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Someone needs to say to the idiots who support the BNP:
You are not fighting for your country. Your country doesn't want you.
You are not fighting for our beliefs. Our beliefs have nothing to do with oppressing people who have done nothing wrong.
You are not fighting for your people. Your people do not want you here and want nothing to do with you.
In short, **** off.

	07-04-2003 23:42									#98
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I'd be willing to bet that your average immigrant to the UK is more economically productive than your average BNP thug.

	08-04-2003 00:16									#99
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Three cheers to Boddingtons , often a lone voice in defending the rights of the majority.

BNP yes some of them may be a bunch of evil bastards im not denying it but if they stand here in MK ill be voting for them. Its about time the liberal politically correct do gooders crawled back under my big fat arse.

Last I hear the national lottery has approved two packages totaling over £1m for a drop in centre for asylum seekers and another as a councilling centre for gay men.

I say sod em, better giving the money to childrens hospitals, and before you say it........ Yes my opinion would be a preference to my own kind as im looking after my own self interest.

	08-04-2003 00:23									#100
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When you say "some of them may be a bunch of evil bastards" you do realise that you're referring to the majority of their National Executive? I have the figures and their criminal records.

The alternative to having drop-in centres for asylum seekers is to have them on your streets.

	08-04-2003 00:30									#101
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quote: Originally posted by Arrian So the main concern is the BNP dragging other parties to the right to make sure they don't lose votes?

The BNP have almost no effect on politics or policy of the main parties (they get such a small percentage of the vote). My main concern is that if they gain any political recognition (e.g get a councillor elected or nearly elected) they use it as a platform to promote social tension and racial violence.

	08-04-2003 00:37									#102
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The BNP are scum and those who vote for them are arseholes. It's a beautifully simple equation. Look, I'll write it out for you...

Vote for BNP = Frightened and ignorant little bastard.

	08-04-2003 00:51									#103
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Ah. Gotcha. Kinda like people voting for Pat Buchanan (at least the ones who meant to vote for him. The idjits down in Florida are just too stupid to read a ballot).

-Arrian

	08-04-2003 01:01									#104
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quote: Originally posted by Lazarus and the Gimp When you say "some of them may be a bunch of evil bastards" you do realise that you're referring to the majority of their National Executive? I have the figures and their criminal records. The alternative to having drop-in centres for asylum seekers is to have them on your streets.

No, the alternative is deporting them back to the countries they came from originally, at their cost. First they'll have to work in sweatshops in Britain in order to pay for their plane ticket.

Could be a good little earner for us really.

And if they come via the Channel Tunnel, back to France.

And then establish a proper immigration system where we can take the cream of developing nations' talent, leaving them in the **** even more.

	08-04-2003 02:02									#105
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I'm all up for that last one. We give them the university places otherwise taken up by those on whom education is wasted.

	08-04-2003 02:11									#106
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OK. But would you be happy with all those asylum seekers in Bristol?

	08-04-2003 02:14									#107
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Yup.

	08-04-2003 02:16									#108
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Well, it's your neighbourhood.

	08-04-2003 02:49									#109
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And it will be a more diverse, more lively, and in the long a better neighbourhood to live in. Isolation leads to stagnation.

	08-04-2003 02:58									#110
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quote: Last I hear the national lottery has approved two packages totaling over £1m for a drop in centre for asylum seekers and another as a councilling centre for gay men.

Oh and don't even get me started on what gays do to neighbourhoods. I mean, raising property values, lowering crime levels, being good neighbours, and generally making neighbourhoods nice places to live. Honestly, the state society is in!

	08-04-2003 03:39									#111
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Hmm, I had a looksee at the BNP page, among other things the books they were selling.

quote: MY AWAKENING (David Duke) £18.85. Perhaps the most important book by an American nationalist in years. Duke explains how he came to realise the truth that should deeply concern the white race. He covers many aspects of controversy. It is strongly recommended as reference, gift or just a damn good read! 735pp.

What a lovable party.

Still, doesn't seem to be much of a threat. First-past-the-post, while faulty as a system, seems to keep the wacky fringe types from gaining a foothold.

	08-04-2003 07:02									#112
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quote: That's why the countries with the most ethnically mixed populations tend to have more crime (developed countries) or wars (developing)?

Canada?

Brits, if you don't want your immigration make a bill to ship them to the colonies. After all, you've had lots of practice doing so.

	08-04-2003 07:16									#113
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quote: Originally posted by Big Crunch The BNP have almost no effect on politics or policy of the main parties (they get such a small percentage of the vote). My main concern is that if they gain any political recognition (e.g get a councillor elected or nearly elected) they use it as a platform to promote social tension and racial violence.

OTOH though, this may not be a bad thing at all.
Voting in a single (or even a few) representatives shouldn't make any appreciable difference to their inability to put through any actual legislation and it gives the general public a chance to see them for what they really are before they have anywhere near enough power to do any damage.
That same happened in the second-to-last Australian election to (whatevertheheck Pauline Hansons party was called - I've forgotten already ).

Result: Down in flames in the last election. No harm done and no real possiility of coming back for some time to come.
Sorta like letting the steam out of a boiler before its really built up.

	08-04-2003 10:53									#114
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quote: Originally posted by Boddington's For making fun of a thread making fun of people who want to restore this country's proud heritage and tradition.

Ah yes, the proud heritage of beating up immigrants, pushing canine faeces through people's letterboxes and mugging women. I think I must have missed those bits of English Kulcher 101 (BNP STYLE).

My idea of Great Britain's proud heritage and tradition is the bit about assimilating immigrants, their cultures, languages, foodstuffs, arts, crafts- you know, Russian and Polish Jews, French Huguenots, Somalis in Wales, Chinese in Liverpool and Limehouse, Yemenis in Tyneside, the Irish, the Indians thrown out of Africa. The BNP's version of history is laughable- and Boddington proves once again how a little learning is a dangerous thing. Sad, sad, sad...

	08-04-2003 12:45									#115
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The BNP do not have any crediible policies. Ask them how they would finace the NHS, education and other publice services they just say divert the money form imigrants/asylum seekers/darkies.

Ok so you have a maximum of 1.5 billion to spend. thats 1 weeks worth of NHS spending, big deal.

The BNP are ingnorant scum who couldn't come up with a non racists political policy it it hit them in their face.

	08-04-2003 14:00									#116
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quote: Originally posted by Starchild Oh and don't even get me started on what gays do to neighbourhoods. I mean, raising property values, lowering crime levels, being good neighbours, and generally making neighbourhoods nice places to live. Honestly, the state society is in!

Not because they are gay. Just because gays earn more. For some reason.

	08-04-2003 15:46									#117
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Bod,
Don't tell me you hate gays too eh?
By the law of predictable trolls, it must be the case.

Actually,,
Wasn't one of the leaders of the BNP gay?

	08-04-2003 15:48									#118
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If he was I bet he kept it quiet

	08-04-2003 15:53									#119
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It was in the papers a while ago, the guy was ex-BNP by the time the story broke.

Must have been a bit arkward for all those macho-nazis to explain away...

	08-04-2003 18:37									#120
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Curtsibling, don't hate them but I was just wish they didn't have all these ****ing gay pride weeks, gay parades and kept any kind of signs of their gayness way out of sight of civilised society.