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Eli
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Israel
Jul 2000
time: 07:27
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Originally posted by Shi Huangdi
Call our diplomacy what you want, but great powers can't always stick to a specific pattern every time, |
Well, then we agree.
If it makes you feel better... "not sticking to a specific pattern" sounds better than hypocrisy, even if the meaning is the same.
The rest of your post is not worthy of a reply.
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Eli
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Israel
Jul 2000
time: 07:27
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How many scuds have hit Israel in the last 3 weeks?
None? Not bad.
STF up, Eli. |
There must be something flawed with my logic, could you please explain how this makes you any less hypocrites concerning assasinations/decapitations?
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Eli
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Israel
Jul 2000
time: 07:27
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As a sidenote, I'll try not to use "you" and any forms of it when talking to Americans about American problems... It makes people take things personally.
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GePap
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of the Big Apple
Nov 2001
time: 23:27
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quote:
Originally posted by Eli
Your facts are wrong.
In the vast majority of the Israeli decapitations( ) the collateral damage was minimal. At worse there were a few injured civilians.
Yes, there were couple incidents where scores of people died, but these are only exceptions. Unfortunately those exceptions give everyone the wrong impression about such actions. One of the reasons for that, IMO, is that with all the mess around Iraq in the last months, "normal" decapitations are not reported in the world(at least not on the first pages like it used to be), so the only thing most people see is the botched ones. |
You mean like this one? were you aimed at one guy and killed 5? what about the one with the 2000lb bomb in the middle of a crowded Gaza neighborhood which killed at least 15 people, most sleeping in nearby houses?
Yeah, "minimal" collateral damage my ass. Usually, when most states try to kill someone, they only try to kill that one person..like when the PLFP killed the tourist minister..0 collateral damage. Yes, the US has been trying to kill people by bombing..how many people besides "Chemical" Ali died when his house was bombed? could not have been that many, since I have not heard any reports about significant civilian loss.If you don;t have the means to assasiante people from the air without killing many more, then stick to bullets.
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Eli
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Israel
Jul 2000
time: 07:27
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[QUOTE] Originally posted by GePap
You mean like this one? were you aimed at one guy and killed 5? [/q]
One was his driver, another Hamasnik, and the rest I dont know. It's too early to use this case as an example.
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what about the one with the 2000lb bomb in the middle of a crowded Gaza neighborhood which killed at least 15 people, most sleeping in nearby houses? |
That was an exception.
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Yeah, "minimal" collateral damage my ass. Usually, when most states try to kill someone, they only try to kill that one person..like when the PLFP killed the tourist minister..0 collateral damage. Yes, the US has been trying to kill people by bombing..how many people besides "Chemical" Ali died when his house was bombed? could not have been that many, since I have not heard any reports about significant civilian loss.If you don;t have the means to assasiante people from the air without killing many more, then stick to bullets. |
Why dont you check?
Get into some news site archive and check all the reports about Israeli decapitations. You'll see that I was right.
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Eli
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Israel
Jul 2000
time: 07:27
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Another decapitation in Gaza. A car went boom, one dead, dont know how many injured.
The dead is Ibrahim Hamadan from Han Yunes, one of the leaders of the Hamas military wing.
Last edited by Eli on 10-04-2003 at 18:49
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GePap
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of the Big Apple
Nov 2001
time: 23:27
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See Eli, this is how its done with little Collateral damage:
From BBCworldnews
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Shia leader assassinated in Najaf
A Shia cleric in the central Iraqi holy city of Najaf has been assassinated, a spokesman for the London-based al-Khoei foundation has said.
Assailants armed with knives attacked Abdul Majid al-Khoei inside the Imam Ali Mosque in Najaf - one of the holiest sites for Shia Muslims, Fadhel Milani told BBC News Online.
A colleague who had been accompanying Mr al-Khoei confirmed his murder in a telephone call to the foundation, Dr Milani said.
Mr al-Khoei was the son of the late Grand Ayatollah al-Khoei, spiritual leader of Iraq's Shia Muslims at the time of the 1991 Gulf War.
Co-operation with coalition
Dr Milani said Mr al-Khoei had been in the mosque with four friends when he noticed another cleric, Haydar Kilidar, was coming under attack.
Mr al-Khoei attempted to protect Mr Kilidar but was himself attacked by the crowd, Dr Milani said.
Both men were killed.
Mr al-Khoei, who left Iraq 12 years ago, had returned to Najaf from London two weeks ago.
He had hoped to help restore order following the downfall of the Ba'athist regime and was working in co-operation with the coalition, Dr Milani said.
Although Mr al-Khoei was usually accompanied by coalition forces, the officers do not enter the mosque and so were unable to rescue him, Dr Milani said.
Dr Milani said that he believed Mr al-Khoei's association with the coalition forces had provoked the attack, saying "certain people did not want him in that role".
He said other colleagues from London would now "think twice" before returning to Iraq.
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Eli
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Israel
Jul 2000
time: 07:27
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GePap :
Israel had done more than enough clean assasinations using snipers and gunmen.
When you show me another country who used helicopters and planes so many times in crowded cities and had such a record of success and such a low number of average collateral damage(note : average), then I'll agree with you.
When there is no choice, we use helicopters. It's not like we prefer to use them, there is no deniability in this method.
It's very simple.
When Israel uses a helicopter and accidently causes lots of casualties, it's all over the first pages in the world. When it uses a helicopter and there are barely any casualties but the target, it's mentioned in the middle of some report. When a SF team enters a Pal city and guns down a known terrorist, all you get is "One Palestinian was killed today by Israeli soldiers in [wherever]" at the end of a report.
Such reports definetely change perceptions.
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Eli
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Israel
Jul 2000
time: 07:27
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quote:
Originally posted by GePap
But Eli, no other state does use planes and helicopters quite so often. You see, mosts states that use assasanition as a tool of statecraft have secret police units that find the people they seek very well. They don't need choppers to kill people like Israel does. |
Most other states are not in a similar situation at all.
Those who get into a similar situation, quickly adopt the Israeli tactics. Just like the US did. And this is what this all thread is about.
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gsmoove23
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One was his driver, another Hamasnik, and the rest I dont know. It's too early to use this case as an example. |
Don't forget the 40 injured, people always forget the injured as if losing a leg, eyesight or the use of any of your limbs is small change.
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gsmoove23
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Your whining is pretty pathetic and disgusting. Yeah I think our admin is hypocritical, it was hypocritical calling Sharon a man of peace.
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gsmoove23
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Oh wait, that doesn't fit the definition of hypocritical. Well you know what I mean. I've gotta think more with these heated responses.
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panag
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MY WORDS ARE BACKED WITH BIO-CHEMICAL WEAPONS
Oct 2000
time: 07:27
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quote:
Originally posted by DinoDoc
You're an annoying whiner, Eli. For the money we give you, we should be able to criticize Israel for everything from assassinations to Sharon's poor wardrobe. |
hi ,
héy , "whiner" falls under the personal insults , ......
oh yeah , shall we start to talk about the technology that flows back to the US , ......
shall we start with one patriot missile , .....
not to mention half of the worlds cancer drugs , ......
oh yeah , the money the US "gives" us , well we have to spend it inside the US , .....
but then again , why would one even try to explain those things to posters who just insult others , ......
have a nice day
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panag
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MY WORDS ARE BACKED WITH BIO-CHEMICAL WEAPONS
Oct 2000
time: 07:27
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Originally posted by gsmoove23
Don't forget the 40 injured, people always forget the injured as if losing a leg, eyesight or the use of any of your limbs is small change. |
hi ,
you know whats always intresting in the liberated areas , well even when there are no wounded , there are always wounded , ......
and when the news is put on the telex the press agencies always seem to put out higher numbers , ......
not to mention of the fact that palestinians are always "murdered" and Israel , Jew , Druze , Christian , etc , ..... are always killed , .......
and people always seems to know better then what we see with our own eyes , ......  , , .... maybe we all need glasses or so , .......
bye
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09-04-2003 00:43
Hey man thanks! They are so fat that I can use them for lots of fun with myself! 
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