11-04-2003 02:17									#61
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Panag and Eli: Perhaps the US should withdraw it's support for Israel in the UN and elsewhere? I'm sure you'd love that (I know I would).

Perhaps we should do to Israel what we did to Iraq. There is more evidence that you have more WMD than Saddam, and you are probably more dangerous.

	11-04-2003 02:29									#62
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Panag and Eli: Perhaps the US should withdraw it's support for Israel in the UN and elsewhere? I'm sure you'd love that (I know I would). Perhaps we should do to Israel what we did to Iraq. There is more evidence that you have more WMD than Saddam, and you are probably more dangerous.

hi ,

perhaps the Jews should leave the states , ......

see those income taxes dropping , well those are firms like raytheon leaving , diamonts from NY , see all those people on the streets who cant get medicaid because all the Jewish hospitals are closing , .......

nah , the US is never going to do that , ......

dangerous , well if you know a bit of US history ; "dont tread on me" , ..... as long as everyone leaves us alone we dont make a single move , .....

WMD's , ..... yeah right , .... at least we dont gazz our own people , .....

bye

	11-04-2003 02:37									#63
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The Jews can leave the states, and it really wouldn't hurt us. Go ahead. Make our day.

And if you think Jews are going to leave for Israel because the US is going to turn on it is laughable. I REALLY see a lot of Jews leaving Italy and France... .

Go ahead. Your 5% isn't nearly as important as you believe it to be.

	11-04-2003 02:41									#64
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui The Jews can leave the states, and it really wouldn't hurt us. Go ahead. Make our day. And if you think Jews are going to leave for Israel because the US is going to turn on it is laughable. I REALLY see a lot of Jews leaving Italy and France... . Go ahead. Your 5% isn't nearly as important as you believe it to be.

hi ,

but your biggest problem is that we shall not leave , .....

at least not before you , ..... now thats laughable , ......

bye

	11-04-2003 02:43									#65
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Um... yeah... you said perhaps the Jews should leave. Then you said you won't.

Which one is it?

	11-04-2003 02:46									#66
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Um... yeah... you said perhaps the Jews should leave. Then you said you won't. Which one is it?

for us to know and you to find out , ......

but wanna bet we shall not leave the US in the next 1000 years , .....

	11-04-2003 02:50									#67
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That's fine with me. It won't matter when we turn on Israel .

	11-04-2003 02:52									#68
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui That's fine with me. It won't matter when we turn on Israel .

*cough* that is the most redicu , ..... never mind , its not worth it


pffffff

	11-04-2003 02:54									#69
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That's what you think.

This country has been going more and more anti-Israel and pro-Palestinian for the last two decades.

All Israeli media tells you is how much we like you, but the way the past has been going, it won't continue for very much longer.

	11-04-2003 02:55									#70
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US anti-Israel? HAH!

I'm telling you the US owes a lot to Israeli Americans.

For some reason they are DEVOUT to the US, body and soul.

And very intelligent. Almost as much as Greeks.

	11-04-2003 03:00									#71
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Imran and Panag, now come on, no need to get hostile over this..

	11-04-2003 03:02									#72
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui That's what you think. This country has been going more and more anti-Israel and pro-Palestinian for the last two decades. All Israeli media tells you is how much we like you, but the way the past has been going, it won't continue for very much longer.

off course imran , off course , thats why the US got the patriot , JDAM , etc , ....

sure imran , .....

anything you say , .....

panag wonders what that battalion of army engineers is doing in the negev , ....


Israeli media , ...... yeah , like you know whats on it , ....

	11-04-2003 03:05									#73
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quote: Originally posted by Pekka Imran and Panag, now come on, no need to get hostile over this..

hi ,

"hostile" , .... where did you got that idea from , ...

at least we dont trow personal insults at each other , ......



hostile , nah , where did he got that from , ....

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have a nice day


panag wonders where Pekka got the idea from , .....

	11-04-2003 03:06									#74
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You are in for a quite a shock in the upcoming decades (or if John Kerry wins in 2004). Israel takes US support for granted. When the support becomes more equal for both sides, then you'll know. When you have a President who pushes more on Israel, then you'll see.

And it'll happen much quicker than you think.

	11-04-2003 03:08									#75
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panag, well not yet.. but I can see it coming .

	11-04-2003 03:10									#76
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Pekka, we are just trolling each other .

	11-04-2003 03:55									#77
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This thread is a delight.

I wouldn't ever imagine Eli criticizing the US harshly, and conservative Americans bashing Israel.

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what a POS thread.

of course the US are a bunch of hypocrites. du-h! Funny thing is that the US commanders on the ground realize themselves the difficulties Israel has been facing, and asked for Israel's advice lots of times, And Israel, of course will not go against the US, because, well, Israel stands to lose from such a thing.

The threat of an american turn against Israel, is low.

a) Israel has nukes, so no assault by the US.
b) A US embargo will be extremely unpleasant, but we do most of our dealings with Europe, and if US will be against us, I have a pretty good feeling that France will support us.
c) We can be a rather unpleasant "adversary", and can royally screw up things for the americans in the region.
d) america wasn't always an ally of israel. the really close relationship began around 70'. We survived pretty well before that, and we were much weaker, comparatively. I would even see it a good thing in, forcing some real reforms in all ways of life, changing society, government, etc.

	11-04-2003 04:15									#79
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quote: If US will be against us, I have a pretty good feeling that France will support us

NOW that would be the end of the world as we know it

	11-04-2003 04:18									#80
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BTW, nice sig Azazel

	11-04-2003 04:21									#81
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Two points:

Criticizing the US is a stupid thing for an Israeli to do.

Advocating an attack on Israel is equally stupid, but in a different way.

Criticizing the US is stupid not due to whether or not it's true, but because it is to your disadvantage to due so. It is in your best interests to keep yourselves in the US's good graces.

Proposing an attack on Israel is stupid because a) despite the fact that they likely do posess WMD, they are not stupid enough to USE them preemptively, and b) it would serve no purpose. What would we achieve?

	11-04-2003 04:24									#82
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quote: NOW that would be the end of the world as we know it

The opposite thing happened in the mid 60s. For some reason, De Gaulle started feeling all mushy and cozy with arabs, so he didn't let Israel have 3 patrol boats that were ordered by Israel ( and paid by Israeli money, too ). So the Mossad went, and took them.

About the sig: Thanks. It is an amazing quote, from a conversation between the two leaders. time to change the location and the pic, as well. I hate Nixon's square face in my screen all the time.

	11-04-2003 04:29									#83
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quote: Criticizing the US is stupid not due to whether or not it's true, but because it is to your disadvantage to due so. It is in your best interests to keep yourselves in the US's good graces.

why is it stupid to do for a private citizen, such as Eli, if he believes in what he's saying ( and for a damn good reason! ). The Israeli MFA doesn't take that position. I could see the outrage if an Israeli diplomat has said: "USA are hypocrites", but that didn't happen, did it?

	11-04-2003 04:59									#84
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quote: Originally posted by skywalker Criticizing the US is a stupid thing for an Israeli to do.

Whether or not Eli's criticisms are valid (and I'll admit theres a certain level of hipocracy in the US administraion - but then theres a certainly level of it in pretty much every political entity, and moreso in a superpower that has to deal with geopolitics that offer no perfect solutions) - why is it stupid for an individual Israeli to give criticism of the US? Cause they can't give any valid constructive criticism? Is it just stupid for Israeli citizens do criticize? What about Egyptian citizens? Or European? Or American?

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quote: and I'll admit theres a certain level of hipocracy in the US administraion - but then theres a certainly level of it in pretty much every political entity, and moreso in a superpower that has to deal with geopolitics that offer no perfect solutions

I think I summed it up rather nicely. du-h!

	11-04-2003 05:10									#86
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You guys can point to 3 instances in the last 12 months of attampted assasinations by the us suoing air power, and only one of them in an area were collateral damage was likely. Israel has had more than that in the last 3 months, and almst all those operation sin araes were collaterla damage can be mugh higher.

The Us has a much better scalpel, and while it is unfair to demand everyone act like the US without the US's toys, it is not 100% hypocritical.

	11-04-2003 05:14									#87
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you gotta be ****ing kidding me. In this ****ing war, The US has already twice attacked a target in a civilian area much more densly populated than any palestinian town, while using bombs weighing hundreds of Kilos. Tens of people were killed in each instance.

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Twice?

Once on monday, and before that? The other target at hussein was in a much more secluded compound. Even the Iraqis did not claim dozens dead at that first strike. So again, what is the otyher strike aimed at killing an individual that you speak of?

	11-04-2003 05:36									#89
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The first strike was also in the heart of Baghdad, not in a "secluded comound." The fact that little people were hurt is a matter of chance.

Besides, the point is that the US doesn't hesitate using targetted killings as a weapon in the densest of cities.


I won't even talk about the heavy use of artillery, and air support in inner-city enviroments by the coalition forces during fighting, while when Israel calls up a single air strike, it's the ****ing end of the world coming from washington.

	11-04-2003 05:38									#90
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Really? cause on the map it is on the southern edges, and even the Iraqis themselves claimed only a few people died in it.if the Iraqis say only a couple of people died in that attack, who am I to doubt them?