15-04-2003 09:34									#61
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quote: Originally posted by GePap Just go ask all those people who go to Ground Zero to hold pro-war ralies saying how the war in Iraq actually begun there, cause "they hit us first". I am sure they will tell you that they are doing it for rhetorical reasons, and are well aware that as of this moment, no links betwen the Saddam regime and 9/11 were found. I also loved this one piece on PBS' The News Hour when they had a segement prewar about the string of municipalities passing statements against the war. They focused on this small Oegon twon, and during the discussion the president of the City Council, who opposed the anti-war resolution, stated that "it had been found that many of the hijackers came from Iraq"

So fine, a few stupid people; there are people going to anti-war protests wearing tinfoil, do you think they speak for a majority of protesters?

I want an actual link to the aforementioned poll.

	15-04-2003 12:02									#62
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quote: Originally posted by MarkG there it is http://lnweb18.worldbank.org/sar/sa...14?OpenDocument US 38 mil UK 15 mil (out of 150(!) promised for the next 5 years) Saudi Arabia 10mil Norway 6.8mil Netherlands 33mil Kuwait 5mil Italy 17mil Japan 5mil Germany 10mil Finland 2.7mil European Commission 15mil Denmark 5mil Canada (around) 25mil

I'd say the billions of dollars expended by the US and UK to put the smackdown on the Taliban isn't included in this figure, so take that into account.

However, the pledges made by the international community are certainly impressive.

Where is China on this list? *cough* *cough*

	15-04-2003 13:58									#63
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quote: I'd say the billions of dollars expended by the US and UK to put the smackdown on the Taliban isn't included in this figure, so take that into account.

as i have this silly idea that the daily life of the average afgan has changed much (if he didnt die by a bomb with OBL's name on), those billions dont actually matter much

	15-04-2003 16:58									#64
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quote: Originally posted by Ned Say, pro-democracy or I will say "appeasers."

How does pro-war all of a sudden became "pro-democracy?" Last I heard, establishing a "democracy" wasn't a goal of this aggression. It's supposed to "disarm" Saddam Hussein.

Which, of course, seems quite ironic so far as no NBC weapons have been found.

	15-04-2003 17:27									#65
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quote: Originally posted by Ned Well, I for one would totally agree that the reconstruction of Afghanistan is a UN problem. The problem was not caused by the US alone, but by warfare in that country for 22 straight years. Much of the warfare was supported or incented from abroad. The victims of he warfare, though, are the people of Afghanistan. Afghanistan should be the prototype UN resonstruction effort.

Ned, I agree completely with you

	15-04-2003 17:36									#66
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quote: Originally posted by Ted Striker Where is China on this list? *cough* *cough*

Only 38 mil from the US?

	16-04-2003 00:19									#67
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quote: Originally posted by MarkG quote: I'd say the billions of dollars expended by the US and UK to put the smackdown on the Taliban isn't included in this figure, so take that into account. as i have this silly idea that the daily life of the average afgan has changed much (if he didnt die by a bomb with OBL's name on), those billions dont actually matter much

Most Afghan women would agree with you.

	16-04-2003 00:19									#68
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger Only 38 mil from the US?

That's only 38 mil through that particular source.

And where is China at?