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Spiffor
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CPA - Evil Clone brigade
Nov 2001
time: 06:27
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Firaxians refused to tell us the sales of Civ3, which were probably much better than PtW's, so I don't think we'll know the sales of PtW. I fear PtW hasn't done well, at least in its first months in the US, since the reviews were harsh and the price has quickly fallen.
The trend seems to be different in Europe, as the price seems to remain stable, and there were some corrections already by the time PtW came out here.
My guess would be there has been enough faithful clients who bought PtW despite the bad reviews, so that a next expansion can be profitable if it has good reviews and a good image.
Also, if no expansion was planned at all, Firaxians would probably be allowed to say it. Maybe there are currently talks about the expansion, and nothing has been decided yet.
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Cruddy
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Hmm... the ONLY people with license to sell expansion packs for Civ3 are Infogrames, right? Anyone else gets sued.
So this idea of secrecy to prevent spoiler products to quash Civ3 expansions can't be right.
Here's my theory; given the huge investment both Firaxis and Infogrames put in before a single copy was sold, I would say they're sitting on a few bits and bobs that they can release if they need to make a few bucks to cover a quarterly deficit.
HOWEVER, they need to see if it's commercially viable - CIV3 sold right through its production run and new copies were produced to meet demand.
PTW, on the other hand, was heavily discounted quickly - at least in the US.
Until there's a demand, no release. So you can either.
1) Bombard Infogrames with e-mail demanding expansions - which you won't get unless PTW sells.
OR
2) Bombard Firaxis with congratulations and fervent hope that their next games are at least as good as Civ3.
Personally, I'd go for option 2.
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Master Zen
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of naughty
Jan 2003
time: 23:27
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well considering how Civ3 was a complete piece of garbage when it came out I was actually pleased to find PTW a very decent game for SP. MP however, which was the major selling point was a sham, I hope they don't make the same mistake with XP2.
What I fear is that this perhaps might set a precedent, that it's ok to release a crappy product which should have been, could have been almost perfect the first time around, and only decide to perfect it 2 years later. As it stands even PTW left us wanting, the editor was still incomplete, lots of new units but nowhere to use them... etc. etc. etc. I hope the future of computer gaming isn't like this, I long for the days when games were released right. Did anyone have problems with Civ1 or Civ2??? I don't think so.
Anyways, let'em release a new XP, if it's decent enough, who knows, I might buy it. If not, there are always, "alternative" ways of getting it 
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panag
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MY WORDS ARE BACKED WITH BIO-CHEMICAL WEAPONS
Oct 2000
time: 07:27
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quote:
Originally posted by Cruddy
Hmm... the ONLY people with license to sell expansion packs for Civ3 are Infogrames, right? Anyone else gets sued.
So this idea of secrecy to prevent spoiler products to quash Civ3 expansions can't be right.
Here's my theory; given the huge investment both Firaxis and Infogrames put in before a single copy was sold, I would say they're sitting on a few bits and bobs that they can release if they need to make a few bucks to cover a quarterly deficit.
HOWEVER, they need to see if it's commercially viable - CIV3 sold right through its production run and new copies were produced to meet demand.
PTW, on the other hand, was heavily discounted quickly - at least in the US.
Until there's a demand, no release. So you can either.
1) Bombard Infogrames with e-mail demanding expansions - which you won't get unless PTW sells.
OR
2) Bombard Firaxis with congratulations and fervent hope that their next games are at least as good as Civ3.
Personally, I'd go for option 2. |
hi ,
 , they could go to court when push comes to shove , ......
they could argue that infogrames does not keep its end when it comes to for example customer support , .....
anyway , at least one XP should be on our way
have a nice day
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Master Zen
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of naughty
Jan 2003
time: 23:27
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quote:
Originally posted by alva
There weren't any +30.000 member forum either of course to point out all the mistakes(not to mention fewer set-ups)
I doubt people would even have noticed 10% of the (game)bugs in CIV/ptw.
(not taking about the MP part here though.)
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IMO they would do better to drop any possible future XP's and concentrate on a well manufatured CIV4,
Any non perfect XP they release is bound to get the same, if not harsher critisism and will attract more negative attention then positive (even if it's a good one objectively), not to mention the reputation hit
Cut your losses and start over... |
I mostly agree alva, however, being a fan of computer games since around ~1992 I recall old games were nowhere near as buggy (then again they weren't as complex).
Anyway, putting the bug issues aside, I think the overall "feel" of the game was much more satisfactory. I remember playing Civ1 for the first time and thinking, wow, what a neat little game. Ok, bad example since I had never played a civ-game before. After being a Civ1 addict I remember getting Civ2 the week it came out and not feeling dissappointed at all, it was everything I expected and more. However, when I got Civ3 I was very disappointed. I played it for about a month and then stopped playing it until the 1.29 patch came out. I didn't play it too much either until PTW was out in which finally I was satisfied with most aspects of the SP game (I didn't mind MP being buggy as I had no-one to play against at the time)
What I am getting at is why did it take over a year to get the SP game right, when there were just these little things which could have been solved from the start.
And its a shame that this happens to the Civ-franchise as it is so dear to my heart. 
Anyway, I would rather wait for a refined Civ4. Civ3 is sufficiently fun and challanging in SP and MP that I don't mind there not being scenarios. Plus, I still have to find a way to beat those friggin Greeks whenever I get them as neighbors in Deity 
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