10-04-2003 18:19									#1
	Should there be a Kurdish State? Got spare money?

With the fall of the Saddam regime its been discussed of what to do with the Kurds in the north. As you all know the turks will have none of it and could possibly go into iraq if one was set up. On the other hand the Kurds have never had their own nation and have basicly been passed around by every great power in the area since ancient times.

So this begs the question...

Should there be a Kurdish State?

	10-04-2003 18:21									#2
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of course!

	10-04-2003 18:22									#3
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youre only saying that because it would spite the turks

	10-04-2003 18:22									#4
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And make a 2nd Israel/Palestine? Are you kidding?

	10-04-2003 18:23									#5
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then it's double right!

	10-04-2003 18:30									#6
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yes, The kurds deserve a state, and some of it should be taken from Turkey. That's in the ideal situation.

	10-04-2003 18:33									#7
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I completely agree with Paitikis.

* blinks *

	10-04-2003 18:34									#8
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I don't think that you would agree with his reasoning i.e. "It will make the turks upset."

	10-04-2003 18:34									#9
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How could anyone nonforcibly cause an annexation of turkish territory to an enemy of turkey? Thats not going to happen. I agree with archaic, that this is situation just setting itself up for disaster no matter how noble the intentions

	10-04-2003 18:36									#10
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A historical peace treaty between the Kurds and the turks.

	10-04-2003 18:37									#11
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Maybe the US should bomb Turkey's a$$, then set up some Kurdish guy as the leader of the new freedom-loving democratic Turkish state!

	10-04-2003 18:38									#12
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if they want it, then yes. if they're smart though, they'll accept self-government within the new iraq and hopefully that will please everyone, or more accurately not piss anyone off too much

	10-04-2003 18:38									#13
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No. Much more harm will be done than good. unlike in Iraq.

	10-04-2003 19:34									#14
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No. It would cause us no end of headaches.

	10-04-2003 19:42									#15
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They should stay part of Iraq, but have a high degree of local autonomy.

-Arrian

	10-04-2003 19:43									#16
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Yes, if there is one Arab State.

While ME borders would deserve to be redrawn, to correct the disgrace created by the French-British ambitions in 1918, don't forget it can be pretty dangerous and useless to create a State based solely on the ethnical group. It gives many headaches, because of the population mixity : the biggest Kurdish city is Istanbul, there are plenty of Turks and Arabs in the badly defined "Kurdistan".

Rushing the creation of a Kurdish state won't only put major unstability in the region, it would also result in a ethnical policy from the Kurdish authorities. I'm not completely against the creation of a Kurdish State (the stupidity of these borders should be put to an end), but I'm very cautious on how to do it.

	10-04-2003 19:54									#17
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quote: They should stay part of Iraq, but have a high degree of local autonomy.

Kind of like the Upper Peninsula.

	10-04-2003 20:23									#18
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No Kurdisdh state of our own making. If the Kurds are able to get one on thier own, well, good for them.

	10-04-2003 20:28									#19
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wether they get it or dont it will also be of "our own making"


see, the turks were burning up whole kurdish villages with western weapons...


not as bad as iraq but pretty close

	10-04-2003 20:35									#20
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Yes. The Kurds in Iraq have been liberated, now the liberation of the Kurds in Turkey can begin.

	10-04-2003 20:42									#21
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Oh, you guys are trully precious, really, if you think any westernm state will try to "liberate" a portion of an ally's territory.

Hmmm. whom to back...Kurds, Turks, Kurds, Turks.., well, since the Turks have more guns, more money, and there are more of them.....

	10-04-2003 20:46									#22
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I don't see the need to annex part of Turkey to provide a Kurdish state; and the reality of substantial Kurdish populations outside a new Kurdistan would be a good thing.

I would like to see Turkey and Iran volunteer a small part of heavily Kurdish territory, which will probably rid themselves of a headache and simultaneously improve relations with Kurdistan.

An Iranian fellow I work with tells me the Kurds are the largest ethnic group in the world without a "home state".

	10-04-2003 20:48									#23
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quote: Oh, you guys are trully precious, really, if you think any westernm state will try to "liberate" a portion of an ally's territory.

I'm not suggesting that the coalition will declare war on Turkey

But the oil revenues of northern Irak could be a great aid to the Kurds in Turkey...

	10-04-2003 20:52									#24
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more than 20 million kurds exist, without a country

and in 2020 44% of turkey's population will be kurds

	10-04-2003 20:53									#25
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Except that those oil revenues will be in the hands of a Baghdad government and not the Kurds, and I can ahrdly imagine a Baghdad government using its money in Turkey.

	10-04-2003 20:58									#26
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Frankly, I think Iraq will have enough problems over the next few years without the Turks rampaging over the northern quarter of the country because the Kurds were given a state. If such a state were declared, it couldn't be preserved and defended except by American troops -- and we have more than enough on our plates as it is. Basically, the Kurds are screwed, being as they are sandwiched between powerful neighbors and neither loved nor particularly respected by any of them. Tough break, but history ain't fair.

	10-04-2003 20:59									#27
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respected?

	10-04-2003 21:01									#28
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quote: Originally posted by GePap Except that those oil revenues will be in the hands of a Baghdad government and not the Kurds, and I can ahrdly imagine a Baghdad government using its money in Turkey.

Well, that depends on what kind of government Iraq will get, and how stable it will be... and I don't think it will be stable enough to keep Iraq together...

	10-04-2003 21:08									#29
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I think the Kurds are going to be very happy in the new Iraq. This will be a democratic government and should respect the rights of all.

If I am right on this, Kurds from Turkey and Iran will want to move to Iraq to live in a free state with their Kurdish brothers.

(What am I saying? Isn't Turkey a democracy?)

	10-04-2003 21:10									#30
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Well, that depends on what kind of government Iraq will get, and how stable it will be... and I don't think it will be stable enough to keep Iraq together...

August, I agree with you on that one. I thinK iraq is heading for a major meltdown. But when that happens, the problem is that the Kurds will be in no way strong enough to ensure their own independence in the face of Turkish hostility to same. There is no way the Turks will ever allow an independent Kurdish state next to them, and they've got the power to prevent it if they really, really want to. And they really, really want to.