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I've narrowed my college search down to 2 schools, Tufts and University of Chicago. Pretty different schools I know, but I'm having a hard time deciding which I like better...

I've only been to Chicago once so I'm not too familiar with it, but I've been to Boston half a dozen times at least so right now I'm a little biased towards Boston.

Has anyone had any experiences (good or bad) with either of these colleges or even just the areas around them?

Any help is greatly appreciated

Thanks

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Got spare money?

Well, Ming and rah live in Chicago.

Take that any way you want.

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Were to start?

I went to UofC (that is what the locals call it) and I also visited Tuft's several times....

I will start with questions:

What do you plan to study? Do you have a plan already or are you waiting?

What kind of social life are you looking for?

How important is cost?

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Boston is about ten times greater than Chicago.

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study plans.... something with math almost definitely, i applied undecided

social life, not terribly important - i can adapt to most situations

cost is of some concern but chicago's already offered me a 15k grant for next year

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You got into U Chicago? @!#&(!@*$&#@()$&@#)$(!&@#)(!@&$@#(*$&@#()$*&@#()$. Its my first choice and I got waitlisted.

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If chicago offered you 15k then they must want you, cause they are cheap-asses.

OK. When it comes to theoretical mathematics Chicago is top notch. It is also excellent for the physical sciences like Physics and Chemistry,.especially since they have connections at Fermi and so forth. And the economics and sociology department are very good, and in Chicaog they like to use math in Social sciences. But the fact is that you will have to take the core, which means your first year a lot of your classes will have nothing to do with Math. The things about the core is that it allows you to explore more what it is you really want to do, since it forces you to study some areas you otherwise would have ignored.
I never looked at tufts math department, so lets hope some tuft graduate is here.

Chicago has a reputation for burning people out: the quarter system means that you have 11 weeks to learn a class which menas an accelerated pace. I know Tufts uses the more common semester system.

As for social life: Chicago has a reputation for terrible social life. It hasd been changing a lot lately since the University has taken steps to fix it, but it is still nothing close to a party shool. Now, they do treat people like adults: that means that you get a lot of freedom about you social activities, but also that if you need help, you have to go out and get it cause they will not help you otherwise. chicago is a good city, but it is very spread out, so you would have to communte to the more "fun" neighborhoods of the city, and it would certainly take more time than in Boston, specially since Boston has so many universities and colleges there while Chicago is in no way a college city.

Now, my guess is that chicaog offers better campus dorms than Tufts. I do know that Chicaog has smoe very roomy dorms and some very nromal sized dorms. But living in housing can be costly cuase they make you have board with a room. now, the arae around has lots of places ot live poast freshman year, and I would say 1200 a month for an appartment, usuallty paid by several people (4) is common if you want to live out of dorms. I am not sure about similar living expenses in Boston. you could always join a frat at eihtr place. I nevr even went to a frat party, so i am not the person to ask.

as for Other facilities: chicago Libraries are some of the best in the country in tersm of what they have, but they are underfunded so books move slowly in the system (I should know, i worked there). They are building new Gym facilities which look great. The campus is pretty in summer and spring and not too spread out. Tufts also has a nice campus, a bit more spread out than Chicago's. tufts is sort of on the edges of the city (last stop on the red line) so the immidate arae around is not much, but it does not take too much time to get to downtown and Cambridge. I don;t hink their libraries are as good, and I did not see their gym facilities.

as for costs: chicago is more expensive than Tufts, though the city of chicago is about as expensive as Boston. As I said, a 15k grant is very nice for them: chicaog ussually helps people pay with loans. I can say that it is likely that the grant size will go down in the coming years, with more of the burden been shifted to loans.

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You got into U Chicago? @!#&(!@*$&#@()$&@#)$(!&@#)(!@&$@#(*$&@#()$*&@#()$. Its my first choice and I got waitlisted.


Since when is Chicago so popular?

Well, given the number of people for whom chicago is a second choice, perhaps you will get in before you have to chose.

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I want to study economics, and I have been talking to their soccer coach - sending tapes of me playing soccer etc. Thats why its so popular.

I did get into ERC at UCSD, the new dorm facility opening this year, but Im not sure I want to go to SD.

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CHicago is also one of the blues capitals of the world, and I like blues/rock. A good place to continue learning guitar.

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Im not sure I want to go to SD.


Oh, common, everyone wants to live in San Diego! (If only for four years.)

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The dude 'tude may be too much to handle.

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Got spare money?

Why Tufts? Its not Chicago's academic caliber, if you got into Chicago you should have a better second choice than Tufts...

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I love theoretical math/physics, physical sciences I like somewhat - but I like ideas more than something that actually does something. A lot of my teachers have told me that Chicago would be good for me, especially since I've been a very math oriented person.

Party school isn't really for me, but I have been concerned with the trimester system - especially since I'm not known for my work ethic. I have no problem working/studying for hours if I'm interested in something, but I have no tolerance for what I think is busy work.

I think the biggest appeal of Tufts is that its in a suburban environment, I've lived half my life in the middle of a big city and the other half in the suburbs - so I've gotten quite used to suburban life and it might be easier than having to readjust to the city. And boston just seems like a great place to go to college, but that might just be b/c there are so many of them there.

by the way gepap what did you major in? and what do you do now?

many thanks for your help

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Why Tufts? Its not Chicago's academic caliber, if you got into Chicago you should have a better second choice than Tufts...


well I got rejected from dartmouf and wait listed at wash u

the biggest reason i'd want to go to tufts is so that i'd have to do less

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University of Chicago's pretty wacky, in my experience. If you're eccentric or just plain crazy then you'll probably fit right in. Dunno how well the "normals" take to it, though.

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University of Chicago's pretty wacky, in my experience. If you're eccentric or just plain crazy then you'll probably fit right in. Dunno how well the "normals" take to it, though.


they don't call me crazy paul for nothing

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Little Paul Will-Chess-Key is finally growing up...

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Well, I studied PolSci, and right now I am in Limbo, since the plans I had made fell through.

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but I like ideas more than something that actually does something


That might as well be the Alma matter of Chicago. It is a very "nerdy" school. For example. the school cheer goes:

Thucidedes, themystecles (no idea about spelling..),
the Pelloponnesian war
X squared, Y squared, H2SO4
Who for, what for,
what the hell are we cheering for?
Go Maroons.. (our wonderful school color..bleh)

It sounds a silly as it is...

I don;t know about busy work. Math orientend classes give out problem sets regularly and hard-core science classes have long labs to do. most wiritng classes ask you to write only a couple of essays for the whole class, but hey also ask you to read large amounts. One quarter, I spent 300 on books, while the most expensive book I bought was $30 bucks.

I will not play it down..some people do crack under the pressure they put on themselves, and even those that have no problems do spend a lot of time working, specially at Math and science.

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University of Chicago's pretty wacky, in my experience. If you're eccentric or just plain crazy then you'll probably fit right in. Dunno how well the "normals" take to it, though.


Just visit the campus at Scavenger Hunt time...
my second year two guys built a small reactor that actually did create a miniscule amount of plutonium, so their house could claim that they built a breeder reactor. They had all the stuff in thier room....

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Lawrence:

Remember that the average location of Chicago's "name" economics faculty is 35,000 feet over the Atlantic. You will get a good econ education there due to the ciriculum (sp? ) but you won't see senior faculty much as an undergrad. Too bad, because some of them (eg Lucas) are terrific teachers too.

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It's Themistocles...

honestly, what do they teach you in your fancy suburban private schools and white colleges?

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Yeah I'm not too big on the maroon, but I could learn to live with it (they will pay!)

So far it sounds great, I'm not too worried about cracking under the pressure; hakuna matata (or is that matada) meh never could spell anyways

I'm going for an overnight visit this monday - wednesday so I'll have some first hand experience of campus life

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Remember that the average location of Chicago's "name" economics faculty is 35,000 feet over the Atlantic. You will get a good econ education there due to the ciriculum (sp? ) but you won't see senior faculty much as an undergrad. Too bad, because some of them (eg Lucas) are terrific teachers too.


Yeah, econ. majors in Chicago are a dime a dozen. Most love the department, a few hate it. Interestingly enough they don;t seem to like UofC undergrads form econ. going to their grad. school. I was friends with one fot eh darlings of the department-bought evry single neo-classical diea the school passes, was one of a very small number that got honors for the department, and they would not give him a penny of grant money for grad school. He ended up at Berkeley (what a change)

The thing is, at Chicago they assume you already know all the basics like Supply and demand curves and so forth. The first class of the program is 201.

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It's Themistocles...

honestly, what do they teach you in your fancy suburban private schools and white colleges?


Well, I would not know, i went to an urban university.

Like I studied Classics... damn greeks. (not you MarkG..)

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It's starting to irk me that if i was rich and went to a fancy private school, i could probably be going to Yale or something... but no, I got to go to philly public school. If I can be this learned off public school, imagine if i got the same oppurtunities yall got

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I was friends with one fot eh darlings of the department-bought evry single neo-classical diea the school passes, was one of a very small number that got honors for the department, and they would not give him a penny of grant money for grad school. He ended up at Berkeley (what a change)
IIRC, virtually nobody gets grant money the first year of econ grad school there. You pay your own way and let the market sort it out. The qualifying exams after first year of econ grad school are an absolute bitch.

Happy to discuss the neoclassical ideas (some are a bit much, like rational expectations), but that is another thread.

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It's starting to irk me that if i was rich and went to a fancy private school, i could probably be going to Yale or something... but no, I got to go to philly public school. If I can be this learned off public school, imagine if i got the same oppurtunities yall got


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It's starting to irk me that if i was rich and went to a fancy private school, i could probably be going to Yale or something... but no, I got to go to philly public school. If I can be this learned off public school, imagine if i got the same oppurtunities yall got


Aren't you already in some university, or going to go to one?

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GePap:

I was accepted by Temple but the costs are prohibitive. I'm trying to get financial aide but I do not have access to my parent's tax forms. I'm trying to work something out

 
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