12-04-2003 23:16									#1
	Anti-war protestors attend The Last Supper Avatar Enlargement: We've got the solution

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	12-04-2003 23:22									#2
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Yes, everything is just dandy in Iraq.

	12-04-2003 23:28									#3
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I think that's the best "GWB is a monkey" caricature ever.

	12-04-2003 23:28									#4
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Is that served with filthy river water?

	12-04-2003 23:34									#5
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However, it is true anti-war protesters are much fewer than before. The mobilization as gotten low

	12-04-2003 23:41									#6
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quote: Originally posted by Spiffor However, it is true anti-war protesters are much fewer than before. The mobilization as gotten low

It is a little hard to be a protestor when thing you are protesting is almost over.

	12-04-2003 23:44									#7
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Nah, then the real fun begins

	12-04-2003 23:47									#8
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quote: Originally posted by BeBro Nah, then the real fun begins

It stops being an anti-war movement then and turns into an anti-occupation movement. It already shows signs of doing just that.

quote: WASHINGTON (AP) -- Even as the war with Iraq winds down, protesters in the United States and abroad continued their campaign against the conflict Saturday. In Washington, 10 blocks from an antiwar demonstration, supporters of the war effort drew thousands to their own rally. Protesters turned out in much smaller numbers than in the months leading up to the conflict, and their focus switched from keeping American troops out of Iraq to bringing them home. In Washington, where tens of thousands marched during protests in January and March, a few thousand people rallied a few blocks from the White House for speeches and a march. Near the antiwar protest site, a similar number, intermittently chanting "U-S-A U-S-A," held their own rally against the backdrop of the Capitol dome. As demonstrators waved American flags, people said nothing about U.S. troops' leaving any time soon. "They should stay as long as required to help out the Iraqi people," said Rimma Dean, 42, an insurance analyst from Olney, Md. "The Iraqi people need our support." Among speakers were former Republican Sen. Fred Thompson, now a television actor; actor Ron Silver; and former Reagan administration official Linda Chavez. Organizers read the names of the U.S. soldiers killed in Iraq. "Our parents died for Vietnamese freedom. Our children are fighting for Iraqi freedom," said P.T. Dao, 53, editor of a Vietnamese newspaper in Falls Church, Va. He was among 200 ethnic Vietnamese on the National Mall. Other countries had antiwar demonstrations Saturday. They, too, were not on the scale of past protests, such as the February march in London that drew up to 2 million people. This time, police said 20,000 demonstrators marched in London. Many held placards demanding "No occupation of Iraq." They paused for two minutes of silence for the victims of war and tossed bunches of yellow daffodils at the gates of 10 Downing St., Prime Minister Tony Blair's official home. In Berlin, about 12,000 people gathered for a rally near the Brandenburg Gate, the city's best-known landmark, brandishing banners with slogans such as "Chancellor, close the airspace" to the U.S. military. Speakers demanded that U.S.-led forces withdraw immediately from Iraq, where President Saddam Hussein's government has disappeared after a lightning invasion force reached Baghdad, the capital. Nearly 50,000 school children and other protesters marched in Dhaka, Bangladesh. Around 4,000 gathered in Seoul, South Korea, to demand the government rescind its decision to send noncombat troops to help U.S.-led forces in Iraq. The Washington antiwar march route took demonstrators near the White House and Justice Department and past offices of companies that organizers said are profiting from the war and media organizations they said ignored the plight of Iraqi civilians. For activists, the Iraq war has overshadowed the spring meeting of the World Bank and International Monetary Fund. While previous meetings of the financial institutions have served as a magnet for thousands of protesters, organizers said no more than 2,000 were expected for a march Sunday. No civil disobedience was planned. Security was tight for the meetings. Police closed several streets around the International Monetary Fund and World Bank headquarters, but downtown streets were quiet.

	12-04-2003 23:52									#9
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc It stops being an anti-war movement then and turns into an anti-occupation movement.

Yes, but I sometimes have the impression that this is secondary - as long as it is anti-something.....

	13-04-2003 00:52									#10
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The only funny part of that cartoon is the fact that Gephard supported this war. But I guess fact checking was not allowed to intervene with the cartoonist's politics Hmmm, not checking facts before making an opinion..

I didn't know you were an editorial cartoonist Holywarrior.

	13-04-2003 00:54									#11
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Arnett looking in through the window is a little funny.

	13-04-2003 00:57									#12
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Is that Spock in the middle?

	13-04-2003 00:59									#13
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right, sorry for being ignorant, but what does "serving a crow" mean?

or is this supposed to be a "that crow don't caw anymore" innuendo. that would imply that bush cooked the protesters though, no?

	13-04-2003 01:09									#14
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Eating crow means eating your words.

DD's right. The anti-war movement will simultaneously become anti-occupation as well as demand that the US lives up to its obligations to Iraq rather than do another Afganistan.

	13-04-2003 01:27									#15
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where's hu?

	13-04-2003 01:28									#16
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quote: Originally posted by Q Cubed where's hu?

Hu's on first?

	13-04-2003 18:33									#17
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what's on second.

	13-04-2003 21:00									#18
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Eating crow means eating your words.

I don't see how that's happening.

It remains to be seen whether the US will handout rebuilding contacts to companies such as Halliburton and paid with Iraqi oil.

	13-04-2003 21:17									#19
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Thats stupid. Why would they be anti occupation? Now that we've messed the country up, we need to fix it. Or maybe we will invade Syria and forget all about Iraq. just like we forgot about Afghanistan. Then they will hate us.

	13-04-2003 21:19									#20
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You tell me. I only posted the article.

	13-04-2003 21:38									#21
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It has to do with letting Iraq to the Iraqi people, letting Iraq riches to the Iraqi people and such...

To be true, it has to do with saying "the Yanks have made a bad thing, and we must say how much the Yanks are bad". Since it is hard to protest about a past issue, they have been forced to find a "constructive" revendication.

I'll probably go to anti-occupation rallies when the occupation will be superfluous. For now, the power vacuum has to be filled by an organized institution, i.e the USUK army.

	13-04-2003 21:59									#22
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Eating crow means eating your words. DD's right. The anti-war movement will simultaneously become anti-occupation as well as demand that the US lives up to its obligations to Iraq rather than do another Afganistan.

Why is Afghanistan a US and not a UN problem? That country was destroyed by the long war with the USSR and the subsequent civil war. The US put an end to it.

The UN should have the responsibility where the problem was primarily caused by the USSR.

	13-04-2003 22:03									#23
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We all know the anti-war rallies were organised by the communists. Che is proud of their achievements.

Communists have two purposes in life: 1) establish a communist paradise somewhere on this globe; and 2) destroy the United States.

The protests will continue regardless of the issue. However, they will not be attended by so many average citizens who may have been against the war but who are not communists.

	13-04-2003 22:15									#24
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quote: Originally posted by Ned Why is Afghanistan a US and not a UN problem? That country was destroyed by the long war with the USSR and the subsequent civil war. The US put an end to it. The UN should have the responsibility where the problem was primarily caused by the USSR.

How so? Would it not then be primarilly the job of the Russians?

But of course, that is ingoring the role the US played in prolonging the war against the Soviets with massive aid to the rebels, then there is the fact that the whole world abandonned Afghanistan after the Soviets left in 1989, then Afghanistans neighbors backed differeing internal factions, such as the Pakistanis backing the Taliban while Russia, Iran, and India backed the northern allience.

The UN had little to do with any of that: why then is it their job, anymore than the Us's, which had more of a hand in what went on that an organization like the UN?

	13-04-2003 22:28									#25
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quote: Originally posted by Ned Communists have two purposes in life: 1) establish a communist paradise somewhere on this globe; and 2) destroy the United States.

I am a communist and I don't intend to destroy the US despite my strong dislike for most of its policies. However, I sure hope the whole world to have a democratic/socialist economy, which includes the US.
Where did you get the idea the communists want to destroy the US

	13-04-2003 22:31									#26
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this is ned youre asking...

	13-04-2003 22:39									#27
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quote: Originally posted by Spiffor Where did you get the idea the communists want to destroy the US

It's called "projection." It's taking your own values/traits/etc. and give it/them to other people. For example, a person who is suspicious of everybody else may think that other people are suspicious of him too, which in fact is probably not the case.

For the longest time the US was out to destroy communism, or at least communistic countries. So of course some "patriots" project this on communists, thinking that we are out to destroy the US.

	13-04-2003 22:45									#28
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quote: Originally posted by MRT144 this is ned youre asking...

Ned is a diehard rightwinger, but he is not stupid. More than once I have seen him curious of what is said on "the other side", and more than once I have seen him accepting facts that don't correspond his worldview.
So, I asked this question out of genuine curiosity and interest

	13-04-2003 22:47									#29
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Um... it really isn't a streach to say that Communists want to destroy the US. The US is the hegemon, the world superpower. It is also the embodiment of capitalist values and excesses. Any communist that doesn't want to see the US fall isn't that great of a communist .

	13-04-2003 22:48									#30
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The U.S. right now has to walk a tight rope. We can't abandon Iraq to its own devices since the country would just fall into anarchy. On the other hand we can't keep it under AMerican adminstration for too long or we get Iraqis and Arab blowing stuff up trying to get us out. As well as Americans protesting that their sons are dying trying to keep a plot of sand under control. This problem was my major objection to this war. If the Bush adminstration does succeed I will gladly eat crow as well as wipe the nervous sweat off.