13-04-2003 05:13									#1
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Bob Smurf asked a question that I think we need to discuss, regarding the use of hutfinder.

Should we adopt RAH rules for our Civ2DG games?

Should we modify these rules? If so, how should we modify them?

Here's a link to the current thread for RAH rules:

http://www.apolyton.com/forums/show...&threadid=77096


I see no reason why we should not go with these rules, especially considering that our president is not under the same time constraints as the MP players.

	13-04-2003 06:40									#2
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never heard of it, read it, and still don't get it

	13-04-2003 06:50									#3
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makes sense to me - most of the proposed off-limits stuff either is unique to multiplay (between turn stuff), or is generally agreed upon as a cheat (looking at the map). if we choose to include all the applicable rules, we will by default ban representative governments from the game (hard to not talk to the AI if the senate keeps forcing you to). given that this is a military game, that may well be a viable restriction, but hasn't been discussed specifically

	13-04-2003 07:32									#4
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Dont see the need for rah rules, we've been doing ok in the first two games without them.

Plus 2x production and no citybribe are not good rules for this game. Oh and we'd have to change rules.txt so oracle expires with industrialisation :P:

	13-04-2003 09:49									#5
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My biggest concern was with hutfinder and caravan re-homing. What do people think about these?

	13-04-2003 09:55									#6
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since we aren't building caravans, the only time we would have caravans would be through bribing, so don't see it as particularly relevant. and i don't see a problem with hutfinder

	13-04-2003 11:35									#7
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quote: Originally posted by atawa Dont see the need for rah rules, we've been doing ok in the first two games without them. Plus 2x production and no citybribe are not good rules for this game. Oh and we'd have to change rules.txt so oracle expires with industrialisation :P:

I agree with all of Atawa's comments.

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	14-04-2003 03:24									#8
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The only rules relevant to SP are the ones obiwan mentions, plus unsinkable boats/planes.
I agree with SGC re:hut finder & caravans, and of course we won't use the unsinkable boat cheat, or map peeking, or anything like that.

	14-04-2003 03:42									#9
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So if we're ont going to use it anyway, why implement it?

	14-04-2003 04:02									#10
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The use of hut finder does not give you any more info than you can get frompen and paper, it just svaes you time.

Rah rules is for MP play and not relevent for this game.

	14-04-2003 06:05									#11
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i've got no problem with people using hut finder, i just won't be using it myself

	14-04-2003 20:23									#12
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hut finders are no fun

	14-04-2003 21:01									#13
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Hutfinder, templates, experience, what is the difference?

If we dont allow the hutfinder we should also disalow an experienced president to use all his civknowledge.

Not a good thing imo.

	14-04-2003 21:33									#14
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experience generally translates into skill, the hutfinder removes all effort.

I share H Tower's view:

quote: i've got no problem with people using hut finder, i just won't be using it myself

	15-04-2003 03:13									#15
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quote: The only rules relevant to SP are the ones obiwan mentions, plus unsinkable boats/planes.

That is the main point for consideration.

I'm not a big fan of the hutfinder. Sucks some of the fun out of the game.

	15-04-2003 03:16									#16
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Nah, just saves you some time, the huts are laid out in a pattern anyway, instead of figuring out the pattern you just type in the coordinates.

	15-04-2003 04:02									#17
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Not a fan of Hutfinder, but -- whatever.

Rah Rules make no sense in this world. Let's just agree on our limits -- like no caravan re-homing, no airfield defense perimeter.

More relevant is the Cheats article compiled by Ming and listed in the Great Library.

Did someone say we're doing this without camels??? Why?
And what other limits did we place on ourselves?

	15-04-2003 05:12									#18
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quote: Originally posted by -Jrabbit Not a fan of Hutfinder, but -- whatever. Rah Rules make no sense in this world. Let's just agree on our limits -- like no caravan re-homing, no airfield defense perimeter. More relevant is the Cheats article compiled by Ming and listed in the Great Library. Did someone say we're doing this without camels??? Why? And what other limits did we place on ourselves?

Why? Because we chose to. And we decided to avoid building Wonders, and to win a military victory. You must have skipped the forums that week.

	15-04-2003 05:29									#19
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Of course we can still CAPTURE wonders....

But can we bribe Caravans?

I need to find out about this "hutfinder" thingy. Shall I just follow the links here?

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quote: Originally posted by cavebear Why? Because we chose to. And we decided to avoid building Wonders, and to win a military victory. You must have skipped the forums that week.

Yeah, almost missed the elections...

	16-04-2003 02:12									#21
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Link to SG's Hutfinder:

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...&threadid=76956

I linked to the Rah rules thread because it has several links to other threads, including Ming's cheat thread.

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	16-04-2003 02:23									#22
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quote: Originally posted by MrWhereItsAt Of course we can still CAPTURE wonders.... But can we bribe Caravans? I need to find out about this "hutfinder" thingy. Shall I just follow the links here?

We have our restrictions. All other things are available to us.

	17-04-2003 10:02									#23
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yeah hutfinder doesn't tell you anything that an expereienced player doens't already know, after all, if water is there, hut finder or pad or brain, your ain't getting a hut !