14-04-2003 01:43									#1
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http://www.motherjones.com/news/out.../ma_217_01.html

	14-04-2003 01:47									#2
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And in an attempt to bring "fair and balanced reporting" to Apolyton, I Googled a site with Clinton's war record. Enjoy!

http://garlitsdon.com/ClintonServiceRecord.htm

	14-04-2003 01:47									#3
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quote: George W. Bush on sacrifice: "I've been to war. I've raised twins. If I had a choice, I'd rather go to war." Houston Chronicle, January 2002

What a goddamned liar.

	14-04-2003 01:48									#4
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Doing ok when he listens to advisors.

Evidently more to Bush than this sad-sack tells.
WTH though. MarkG. Consistently a butthead.

Go back to the Civ 3 area.

	14-04-2003 01:48									#5
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Maybe he's just a really bad father, Boris.

	14-04-2003 01:50									#6
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Of course, Clinton was justified in refusing to report for induction.

	14-04-2003 01:52									#7
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quote: Originally posted by JohnT Maybe he's just a really bad father, Boris.

I was referring to his "I've been to war" line. He has never been in a war, so it is total bullshit. Flying around in a cushy Texas Air National Guard unit in the U.S. is not going to war by any stretch of the imagination.

	14-04-2003 01:52									#8
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Bush dodged the draft just like Clinton, only he did it the way rich people did.

	14-04-2003 01:52									#9
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Come to that, Bush was also justified in getting out of Vietnam any way he could.

	14-04-2003 01:59									#10
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did clinton ever claim to have fought in vietnam?

	14-04-2003 02:02									#11
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Nahhhh.... he only claimed that he didn't inhale

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Rich people dodged the draft by enlisting in the guard? I thought they usually got deferments. Fancy that!

	14-04-2003 02:04									#13
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It's funny the hypocrisy of these matters from conservatives in the government and media. Clinton was attacked for his war record and marijuana usage, yet Dubya was an alcoholic, used cocaine, and dodged the war just the same.

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quote: Originally posted by DarthVeda Rich people dodged the draft by enlisting in the guard? I thought they usually got deferments. Fancy that!

Enlisting in the Guard and using his daddy's influence to get posted to an easy duty. Fancy That!

	14-04-2003 02:07									#15
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The only reason Clinton didn't do Cocaine is because he didn't have the dough to buy it.

	14-04-2003 02:07									#16
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meanwhile, here's something to get the average american taxpayer really anxious
http://www.costofwar.com/

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And we can see just what an awesome president Clinton was with his personal affairs.

	14-04-2003 02:08									#18
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Actually, Bush's dodging of the war is more two-faced than Clinton's, as Clinton was at least consistent with his professed beliefs (he openly opposed the war on moral grounds). Bush was a war supporter and even to this day believes the cause was just (but not necessarily the manner), yet he weaseled out of it, too. So he goes into the Limbaugh/Buchanan/Quayle/Gramm/etc. camp of chickenhawks.

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Americans don't get anxious over Social Security, Mark, you think we're going to freak out over a measly $40 billion?

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quote: Originally posted by MarkG meanwhile, here's something to get the average american taxpayer really anxious http://www.costofwar.com/

That should be re-labeled to the "Price of Freedom"

	14-04-2003 02:11									#21
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quote: Originally posted by Ming Nahhhh.... he only claimed that he didn't inhale

i'm not sure if that's worse

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Worse... who knows... but how stupid does he think people are to believe that line

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quote: Originally posted by DarthVeda That should be re-labeled to the "Price of Freedom"

The "Price of a corrupt politician's agenda".

	14-04-2003 02:26									#24
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quote: Originally posted by Ming Worse... who knows... but how stupid does he think people are to believe that line

less stupid than believing that your army records are hard to be found and lie about going to war

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quote: Originally posted by MarkG less stupid than believing that your army records are hard to be found and lie about going to war

or maybe a confidence that you know your propaganda machine will make sure that issue isn't talked about

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"Hey, look at what Bush did, right here..."

CLINTON! CLINTON CLINTON CLINTON! CLINTON, I TELL YOU! Why? CLINTON! That's why!

Of course, we can't forget the other side of the coin, in some other thread:

"Hey, look at what Clinton did, right here..."

BUSH! BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH! And I know what you're going to say next, and my answer is BUSH!

Jesus already, people, are those knees jerking hard enough yet? MIGHT IT ACTUALLY BE POSSIBLE THAT THEY'RE BOTH POLITICIANS?

	14-04-2003 02:35									#27
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I'm not so sure the US propaganda machine will be that more effective after this little adventure. Good. The world is sick of hypocricy.

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Stefu... I agree. And that's my point. If people are going to bash Clinton for something, they should be consistent about it. IMO Clinton is as big a jag-bag as Bush. But Clinton bothered me less because during his presidency, the economy was good and we weren't pissing off a billion Muslims.

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quote: Originally posted by Stefu "Hey, look at what Bush did, right here..." CLINTON! CLINTON CLINTON CLINTON! CLINTON, I TELL YOU! Why? CLINTON! That's why! Of course, we can't forget the other side of the coin, in some other thread: "Hey, look at what Clinton did, right here..." BUSH! BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH! And I know what you're going to say next, and my answer is BUSH! Jesus already, people, are those knees jerking hard enough yet? MIGHT IT ACTUALLY BE POSSIBLE THAT THEY'RE BOTH POLITICIANS?

My knee jerks less in my advancing years, but it can still kick.

And Sava, I didn't care about Clinton's service record either when it was topical, so why should I care about Bush's?

	14-04-2003 02:42									#30
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quote: Originally posted by JohnT My knee jerks less in my advancing years, but it can still kick. And Sava, I didn't care about Clinton's service record either when it was topical, so why should I care about Bush's?

Bush's shouldn't be relevant. That's my point. As Boris pointed out, Clinton was consistent in his opinion of war. Bush OTOH is not. I'm attacking his hypocritical Hawkish stance rather than his war record. In fact, all things being equal, I'd applaud Bush for finding a way out of that unjust fool's errand known as Vietnam.