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(There hasn't been a thread on this, eh? Couldn't find one...)


From CBC.ca:

QUEBEC VOTE 2003

PARTY LEADING ELECTED
Liberals 0 76
PQ 0 45
ADQ 0 4
Other 0 0




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Quebec Liberals cruise to majority government
Last Updated Tue, 15 Apr 2003 0:46:36
MONTREAL - The Liberals won a majority government in Quebec Monday night, making Jean Charest the next premier of the province.


It is Charest's first victory as leader of the provincial party after stepping down as leader of the federal Progressive Conservatives.

The Liberals defeated the ruling Parti Québécois and Bernard Landry; and Mario Dumont's upstart Action démocratique du Québec.

All three party leaders won their ridings.

Calling it a mandate for change and renewal, premier-designate Charest, promised to work for all Quebecers.


"Today Quebecers gave the Liberal Party of Quebec a government in the service of its citizens. Quebecers have given us their confidence. We will live up to it," said Charest.

In his concession speech, Landry thanked party supporters and congratulated Charest.

"I have to congratulate very warmly the leader of the Liberal party who has conducted his troops to a very impressive victory which was owed to them," said Landry.

Speaking to dejected supporters, Dumont vowed to continue developing the party's relationship with English speakers in the province.

Prime Minister Jean Chrétien expressed his satisfaction with the vote, reading the results to guests at a state dinner in the Dominican Republic. The prime minister is there on an official visit.

"It is for me an element of satisfaction. It's a confirmation that the threat of separation has disappeared. This is very, very good for Canada, " said prime minister.

Charest's campaign focused on health care. He promised to cut government subsidies, tax credits to big businesses and trim the civil service. Charest also predicted Parti Québécois leader Bernard Landry would call another sovereignty referendum of elected.
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The final dagger in the heart of seperationism?

(Well, at least in Quebec...)

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At least we don't have a provincial seperatist party here in BC.

Very good news indeed.

What's the vote distribution for the Conservative seats?

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The final dagger in the heart of seperationism?

(Well, at least in Quebec...)


Not a chance. The idea has been around for a very long time and one election is not going to make it go away.

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Where are our Quebec people? Usually a Canadian thread is huge.

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Liberals suck! They dont care about the futur of our province may iot be with or without Canada. They dont care about all the baby boomers that are going to retire within 10 years. That's 44% less people that pay taxes....And they want to drop taxes and raise health care How are they gonna cope in a couple of years?! By raising taxes again?


ADQ RULES!!! MARIO DUMONT FOR PRESIDENT!! He's young and still clean from all corroption and power! Let him take head while there is still time!

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ADQ RULES!!! MARIO DUMONT FOR PRESIDENT!! He's young and still clean from all corroption and power! Let him take head while there is still time!


Do you know where Mario Dumont comes from ? Did you know that he was the president of the youth wing of the Parti Libéral du Québec in the early 90's ?
Do you know why he quit and formed the ADQ ? Because Robert Bourassa - then premier of Québec - refused to make good on his promise to hold a referendum on Quebec's independance and instead campaigned with the Feds for approval of the Charlottetown accord.
Dumont supported Jean Allaire and quit the Liberals after they did a 180% and abandoned their own program and gave their backing to the accord. He went on to create the ADQ.
(http://www.plq.org/cj/historique.htm)
So you could say that the guy who went to Toronto to tell Bay street that sovereignty was an old idea, an old debate, basically created his party to protest over the Liberals refusing to have a referendum on separation.

But that's OK : we're used to people doing 180%'s in Quebec politics:

Jean Charest : Leader of the Feds Conservatives to leader of the Quebec Liberals. Now Premier.
Lucien Bouchard : Minister under Mulrooney's Feds. Conservatives to leader of the Parti Quebecois and premier of Quebec. Hell: he almost won the 95 referendum by himself!

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Yes I knew that, and I still think he should be the prime minister of Quebec.


Spec.

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(There hasn't been a thread on this, eh? Couldn't find one...)


From CBC.ca:

QUEBEC VOTE 2003

PARTY LEADING ELECTED
Liberals 0 76
PQ 0 45
ADQ 0 4
Other 0 0




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Quebec Liberals cruise to majority government
Last Updated Tue, 15 Apr 2003 0:46:36
MONTREAL - The Liberals won a majority government in Quebec Monday night, making Jean Charest the next premier of the province.


It is Charest's first victory as leader of the provincial party after stepping down as leader of the federal Progressive Conservatives.

The Liberals defeated the ruling Parti Québécois and Bernard Landry; and Mario Dumont's upstart Action démocratique du Québec.

All three party leaders won their ridings.

Calling it a mandate for change and renewal, premier-designate Charest, promised to work for all Quebecers.


"Today Quebecers gave the Liberal Party of Quebec a government in the service of its citizens. Quebecers have given us their confidence. We will live up to it," said Charest.

In his concession speech, Landry thanked party supporters and congratulated Charest.

"I have to congratulate very warmly the leader of the Liberal party who has conducted his troops to a very impressive victory which was owed to them," said Landry.

Speaking to dejected supporters, Dumont vowed to continue developing the party's relationship with English speakers in the province.

Prime Minister Jean Chrétien expressed his satisfaction with the vote, reading the results to guests at a state dinner in the Dominican Republic. The prime minister is there on an official visit.

"It is for me an element of satisfaction. It's a confirmation that the threat of separation has disappeared. This is very, very good for Canada, " said prime minister.

Charest's campaign focused on health care. He promised to cut government subsidies, tax credits to big businesses and trim the civil service. Charest also predicted Parti Québécois leader Bernard Landry would call another sovereignty referendum of elected.
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The final dagger in the heart of seperationism?

(Well, at least in Quebec...)




Well, BIG surprise.
Isn't that where the French have been sequestered?

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How long had the PQ been in power?

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How long had the PQ been in power?


Long enough to f**k up our economy!

Spec.

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Richelieu called it right. Issues over Quebec sovereignty have been going on for a very long time and won't easily disappear. It is an improvement to see the Liberals in charge but the opposition, where voters may look to as an alternative to the Liberals in four years, is still a party committed to separation.

I am not clear on what Sloww was asking. If it is 'isn't separation sentiments confined to French-speaking Quebecers?' the answer is no. Western alienation could lead to separatist sentiments, particularly in Alberta. Getting rid of the PM who confesses to not liking working with westerners by year end, would be a good first step in reducing those tensions.

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Long enough to f**k up our economy!

Spec.


I actually saw the answer at lunch. It's only been 9 years. I was surprised, feels like it's been longer!

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yup -- PQ has had two terms and I read that no Quebec governmnet has ever served for 3 terms.

As for a dagger in the heart of separation, it may very well be . . . I understand that there are still a fair number of immigrants coming into Quebec . . . and immigrants vote overwhelmingly against separation. Does anyone have a sense of francophone versus anglophone/other birthrates and immigration in the province? Because demographics could kill the issue as a real threat in a way no politician ever could.

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Yea we know, nut our birth rate is alarmingly down so the government makes it easy for immigrants to come in...I'm all for it...and dont get me wrong, I love Canada, but I would love for Quebec to be a country.

Not because I hate Canada, just because there is no way "we" will ever get along. Too many ignorant people on both sides so if we just get our seperation, it will finaly be over with.

Spec.

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I'm not allowed personnal attacks, but I think this thread cannot be considered serious, just by looking at who posted a few times like he knew what he was talking about.
I wonder if the ADQ has good policies about speed limits and such...

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I'm not allowed personnal attacks, but I think this thread cannot be considered serious, just by looking at who posted a few times like he knew what he was talking about.
I wonder if the ADQ has good policies about speed limits and such...


If YOU knew what you were talking about, you would know that I only do that on race tracks. You consider your replies as serious when you don't even bother to ask. I call that prejudice, exactly why Canada and Quebec generaly dont get along.

Spec.

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No one can answer my question about the vote distribution?

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No one can answer my question about the vote distribution?


I'm not sure but I think it's:

43% liberal
34% PQ
18% ADQ

and the rest.

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I should be more clear, the geographical distribution of the seats won by each party.

A link is all I need.

I really want to know how the Conservatives did among the Francophone voters. Did they get a majority?

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At least we don't have a provincial seperatist party here in BC.

Very good news indeed.

What's the vote distribution for the Conservative seats?


Huh?

What Conservative seats? There's no provincial Conservative party in Quebec. IIRC there's only PC MP from Quebec also...

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Here it is.

http://www.elections.dgeq.qc.ca/res...oir_vote_f.html

If you need anyother info, you'll find it on this site.

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Liberals suck! They dont care about the futur of our province may iot be with or without Canada. They dont care about all the baby boomers that are going to retire within 10 years. That's 44% less people that pay taxes....And they want to drop taxes and raise health care How are they gonna cope in a couple of years?! By raising taxes again?


ADQ RULES!!! MARIO DUMONT FOR PRESIDENT!! He's young and still clean from all corroption and power! Let him take head while there is still time!


Mario Dumont's a ****ing idiot. He wanted a flat tax. Whoops. Quebecers are too leftist for that, so he flipflops. None of his ideas have any legs with the public at all. He got ****ed.

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quote:
Originally posted by Garth Vader
How long had the PQ been in power?


Since 94.

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Mario Dumont's a ****ing idiot. He wanted a flat tax. Whoops. Quebecers are too leftist for that, so he flipflops. None of his ideas have any legs with the public at all. He got ****ed.



Maybe so but compared to Landry and Charest he's the man IMO.
Landry gave taxe credits to every company that established itself in the new Industrial land in Laval, which led to emptying the industrial region in St-laurence and in the old industrial region of Laval. That results in empty buildings that owners have to compensate for. Also, he gave (sorry i dont know what the word is in english) subventions to companies that didn't need it like Bombardier and left other companies in need die. That is not what I call "building a prosperous economy". Let me translate what he said:" I told you that I would not take money out of your left pocket, I didn't and I never will!" Yea but he took a whole lot out of our right pocket though.
Also, it was Charest last hope to be prime minister of Quebec so he put it all on the table. He encouraged 5$ a day daycare (which we already have enough of) that increases province spending, He also wants to increase the number of employees in the medical center that result again in larger provincial spending. All that without taking into consideration that within 10 years there will be 44% of the workers in Quebec will be retired. That makes 44% of people who dont pay taxes no more and get paid by the governemet.
Sp tell me, how can we cope in ten years? The only way I see it is to raise taxes...again.

Mario Dumont wants to reduce the human ressources in every ministries where he to put more people at work in hospitals. Also, Mario Dumont,s advisor in the medical departement are people that have experience there and have always worked there....unlike Landry's medical minister which, at his last job, was an accountant for an aviation company.

Landry and Charest are old and only want power before they go away for ever and they are ready to screew the people just to obtain it.
Mario Dumont has everything to prove because he is relatively new in politics. I dont think what he says is all true but I believe him a lot more than I beleive Landry or Charest for that matter.

(if I were able to tell it all to you in french I would have been able to make my point a lot clearer. I dont know what many words are in politics so it's hard to get my point across. But trust me, I know a whole lot about politics, my job also depends on it.)

Spec. *frustrated because he knows he didn't get his point across*

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You can talk to me in french, spec.

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Ok, dis moi ce que tu en pense et je vais te repondre.

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Frogger:

I had Liberal originally, and then edited it out because it didn't seem right.



I guess I still associate Charest with the Federal Conservative party.

Spec:

Merci beaucoup.

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Anyhow, what you're saying about the PQ and targetted subsidies is all too true. Bunch of bullshit, that. Quebec spends more than all other provinces combined on developmental subsidies. **** 'em. The PQ's just handing out corporate welfare. It's the new face of the supposed socialists in quebec.

The ADQ's going nowhere fast. They had 35% support because Dumont was for "change". Then people found out what type of change he's for and deserted him in droves. He'd fit in better in the political spectrum in the US or Alberta than he does in Quebec.

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It's also telling that he got completely shut out of Montreal.

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Une des raison pourquoi les montrealais aime pas Dumont est parce qu'il est pour l'economie en premier et ppas pour la personne. Pour lui, la personne vient apres l'economie parce qu'il n'y a pas de bien-etre de la personne dans une mauvaise economie. On a tous vu ca dans les annees 90.
Deuxiement, la GROSSE majorite des ceux qui aime pas Dumont a Montreal sont des B.S. qui se criss bien de l'economie et de ce qui l'entoure parce qu'il n'y connaissent rien, des etudiant qui sont poussez par le vouloir de se separer et qui eux aussi sont en general ignorant de notre situation economique et les ethnique qui eux ont peur que le quebec se separe parce que la majorite de leur bien fait viennent du federal donc il vote Liberal a tout prit!
Si je peux resume, sans AUCUN BUT RACISTE, ca se traduit ansi:
La majorite des voteur liberal sont les anglais et les ethniques, le parti Quebecois c'est la basse classe et les ignorant qui pense juste au referendum sans meme ecouter ce qui se passe dans leur propre province ou meme pays et ceux qui ont vote pour Dumont sont les economiste, travailleur autonome et les personnes attentivent au developement economic.

Ceci etant dit, il faut prendre en compte que ce que j'ai etablie ci-haut est seulement general et general seulement.

Spec.

 
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