15-04-2003 15:26									#1
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quote: With Republicans expecting President Bush to roll to reelection in 2004, their focus is fast turning to 2008 and whom the GOP will run against expected Democratic nominee Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton. Now, Whispers is told that Florida Gov. Jeb Bush looks strong. "If Jeb is in the mix" for the nomination, says a top GOP official, "it's his."

http://www.usnews.com/usnews/issue/...21whisplead.htm

	15-04-2003 15:27									#2
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at least i trust jeb more than G-dub

	15-04-2003 15:38									#3
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GW's brother vs Bill's wife - who said clan-fighting was a middle-east phenomenon?

	15-04-2003 15:40									#4
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Wow, this is too much. I mean how can power concentrate so much with few families? This is like watching Dallas or something. Is JR doing Hillary?

	15-04-2003 15:43									#5
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i hope everyone is doing hillary

	15-04-2003 15:44									#6
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Everyone is.. except Bill.

	15-04-2003 15:50									#7
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What this really reveals is what a farce the primary system is. "If Jeb is in the mix, it's his" means they party insiders have the power to nominate whomever they like, and the democratic spectacle of the primaries is just so much window dressing. This was already evident with Bush II, when he was all-but-annointed back in '99, a good 6 months before a single primary ballot had been cast.

The Dems are nearly as bad, and got a lot worse about this crap under Clinton, but the GOP is just absolutely shameless about it.

But you'll never see Hillary Clinton as the Democratic nominee for President. She'll run, sure, but she'll never get the nomination. This is just a GOP fantasy, and a comforting one because she'd be so easy to beat. The more likely scenario is a Republican nightmare so scary that the GOP can barely utter it aloud: in the next Dem administration, Hillary will be Attorney General...and if that happens in 2004, USA PATRIOT will still be on the books and at her disposal. Then the fun really begins.

	15-04-2003 16:02									#8
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Hmm, since I don't think a woman President is going to happen for at least another few terms Jeb really wouild win that election.

But then if any woman were to be President, it would be Hillary. Would that mean Bill would be the 'first man'?

	15-04-2003 16:14									#9
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I am still not sure which is likely to happen first, a woman as President or a black man? I imagine it will be at least a decade before we see either.

	15-04-2003 16:17									#10
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What a nice little Monarchy they have going there in states.

	15-04-2003 16:26									#11
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pfffff Bush Bush II

¿Bush III?

	15-04-2003 16:35									#12
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quote: Originally posted by CerberusIV I am still not sure which is likely to happen first, a woman as President or a black man? I imagine it will be at least a decade before we see either.

It'll be a woman. Colin Powell isn't going to run; and no matter how many times Morgan Freeman plays the President, the fact remains that there are no black governors (and there haven't been any since Reconstruction ended in 1877), no black senators (and, I believe, only 2 since Reconstruction), and no black members of the House power structure (now that JC Watts has left). By contrast, there are 6 female governors, 14 female Senators, and the House minority leader is a woman.

	15-04-2003 17:20									#13
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Why not Colin?

	15-04-2003 17:22									#14
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The US should get rid of the 2 terms limit. It really hampers them to have a proper hereditary monarchy.

	15-04-2003 17:28									#15
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Actually, I like their elected despot thing. It's much better than our zillion-party, " if you don't complete all of our demands we go to election" Two-year government system.

Now only if the two parties in the US were the Communist and the Democratic Socialist...

	15-04-2003 17:31									#16
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Jeb could be the man.

He's got leaner ankles than Hillary anyway.

	15-04-2003 17:32									#17
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quote: Originally posted by CerberusIV I am still not sure which is likely to happen first, a woman as President or a black man? I imagine it will be at least a decade before we see either.

if opera ran¸ we'd gEt both

	15-04-2003 17:35									#18
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Yeah, but with Jeb out of FLorida, who's left to rig the election?

	15-04-2003 17:37									#19
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Did they wipe out all the Kennedys already? There must be a couple of them left.

	15-04-2003 17:44									#20
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I think you should keep the presidency, but it should perform a purely ceremonial role.

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wow

hardly certain that GWB will win the next election and people are already predicting the one after that .

oh and insiders saying that Jeb will win if he runs does not NECESSARILY mean that the fix is in or that the insiders choose. It could just be a comment on his abilities.

The one thing jeb won't want to hear is " you know I like him but think his brother is smarter"

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	15-04-2003 18:51									#22
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quote: Originally posted by Azazel Why not Colin?

He doesn't wnat it. I'd vote for him though.

	15-04-2003 19:19									#23
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quote: Originally posted by Azazel Why not Colin?

The explanation that I've heard is that he doesn't' want to put up with the incredible invasion of his privacy (by the press) that would inevitably accompany a campaign. And the reason for that is, apparently, that his wife received psychiatric treatment for depression -- including medication, IIRC -- and he doesn't want the press snooping around that. Sad thing is,people probably wouldn't care -- depression, therapy, and drug treatment aren't the taboos they once were -- but the press would still play it to the hilt. Bastards.

	15-04-2003 19:33									#24
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Jeb has pertty much been a disaster here. Jeb keeps trying to sabotage public initiatives despite sold public support for them. He ilegally knocked almost 100,000 voters off the roles (which helped his brother become Pres and likely kept Reno--who was the only Dem who had a chance to beat Bush--from winning the Primary here last year). Our state is in debt thouh before he came to office it has a surplus, our education system among the worst in the nation, democracy a joke . . . is this really what you want for the rest of the country?

	15-04-2003 19:36									#25
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara likely kept Reno--who was the only Dem who had a chance to beat Bush--from winning the Primary here last year).

All the information I saw pointed to Jeb having an easier time beating Reno.

	15-04-2003 20:15									#26
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¿Bush III?

Well, he does speak Spanish and has a Mexican wife.

He's much more wonkish than Bush II, but doesn't have a diplomatic career like Bush I did. He's as much of a wheeler-dealer as Bush II. Don't have a sense of how politically bold he is, though.

	15-04-2003 20:28									#27
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Yeah! Let Jeb do for the rest of the country what he's done for Florida!

Some of his "achievements":

* cut $111 million from the state university system budget
* despite a class size amendment overwhelmingly voted in by the people of Florida limiting sizes of younger kids' classes, Bush says it's a no-go for money reasons
* a child services system that "lost" a whole bunch of kids somehow

...the list goes on. His latest "idea" is to eliminate the agency that assesses the effectiveness of government programs. After all, the governor can just tell us what is good and what isn't. We can trust the government. TRUST the government. trust the government. you are getting sleepy, very sleeeeepy. TRUST the government. The government is your friend...

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Jay Bee for president!!!!

	15-04-2003 21:04									#29
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When Jenna and Barbara run in 2020, which one will be president and which one vice-president?

	15-04-2003 21:06									#30
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If Jen and Barb ever run for office, I'm stumping for the Olsen Twins.