19-04-2003 11:58									#61
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quote: Originally posted by Frogger Same stupid idea. You've managed to exclude all of continental europe from veto power, but have included the UK. "Gee, that ain't fair" is exactly what europe would think. And they'd be right. The UK is just about the black sheep of europe and you've chosen it to represent them?

"Continental Europe" is a pretty arbitrary group. However giving it to Germany wouldn't be that awful. Germany is economically and militarily more powerful than France, but less powerful politically, especially in Africa.

	19-04-2003 11:59									#62
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Maybe Canada as a permanent member could be counted on to see to the interests of the US? Well, Minnesota, Maine, and Montana would get looked after, anyway...

	19-04-2003 11:59									#63
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quote: Germany is [...] militarily more powerful than France

	19-04-2003 11:59									#64
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quote: Originally posted by Jaguar Warrior We should not give any new nations vetoes. Even India. If anything we should lose the veto system. When there were talks of a second resolution on Iraq (and yes, I know its really 19th or whatever, but you know what I mean) France said it would veto, so the US and company just went to war without the resolution. No matter what your opinion on the war, I'm sure you all can agree that wasn't a good effect. That's directly caused by the veto system. I'd prefer we revoked everyone's vetos.

If you talk about power, Europe deserves one-half of a seat (if that).

	19-04-2003 11:59									#65
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quote: You've got nothing left after the way the Bush has been treating the poor mexicans...

You wish. The merest hint of an amnesty for illegal immigrants in the US is better than anything Canada can offer the Mexicans. We run this continent, dawg; you better recognize.

	19-04-2003 12:00									#66
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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither Maybe Canada as a permanent member could be counted on to see to the interests of the US? Well, Minnesota, Maine, and Montana would get looked after, anyway...

Don't forget Vermont.

	19-04-2003 12:01									#67
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quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten quote: You've got nothing left after the way the Bush has been treating the poor mexicans... You wish. The merest hint of an amnesty for illegal immigrants in the US is better than anything Canada can offer the Mexicans. We run this continent, dawg; you better recognize.

You hinted already. Nothing showed up, and the mexicans are pissed. 'Specially after the "disciplining" comments made by your Prez...

	19-04-2003 12:01									#68
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Vermont? They don't have an 'M'.

OK. We can look out for them too, if you insist.

	19-04-2003 12:01									#69
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quote: Originally posted by Frogger The French are a distant 4th in vetoes used since the institution of the SC. The Russians and the Americans take the cake on that one. You'd see a hell of a lot more SC resolutions telling Israel to **** off without vetoes. Read the link I gave earlier...IIRC something like half of US vetoes deal with Israel, and most were solo vetoes.

Of course US and Russia have a lot. They were in pretty much direct conflict for 80% of the UN's existence.

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7 of last 9 vetoes were by US. Six dealt with Israel.

A man with an israeli flag ought to keep that in mind.

	19-04-2003 12:03									#71
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quote: Originally posted by Frogger quote: Germany is [...] militarily more powerful than France

NM. For the most part you're right. Germany has more troops but France has more planes, tanks, etc.

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quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten quote: You've got nothing left after the way the Bush has been treating the poor mexicans... You wish. The merest hint of an amnesty for illegal immigrants in the US is better than anything Canada can offer the Mexicans. We run this continent, dawg; you better recognize.

Canada could offer... splitting the US down the middle. They can have California. We'll take Mass and New York. Of course, we'll have toi learn how to spell Massachuesaetts, first.

	19-04-2003 12:03									#73
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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither Vermont? They don't have an 'M'. OK. We can look out for them too, if you insist.

Hell, they've got maple syrup and are practically Canacoms. Plus, Montreal gets Vermont news broadcasts.

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Minnesota is more important than all of the others combined.
Anyway, if you could limit people into the BWCA, more power to you.

Others: (If you don't know what the BWCA is, too bad).

	19-04-2003 12:05									#75
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Well, OK. What about the Massachuesaetts motion?

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quote: You hinted already. Nothing showed up, and the mexicans are pissed. 'Specially after the "disciplining" comments made by your Prez...

So what? Even if the Mexicans are angry with the US, they know that their economy is inextricably linked to us. Canada, OTOH, is completely irrelevant in the thought processes of Mexican policy makers. Why would the Mexicans incite the hatred of the US by voting Canada onto the SC, when helping Canada does nothing for them?

Not that any of this matters anyway. The idea of NAFTA voting on a SC representative is stupid and won't happen.

	19-04-2003 12:07									#77
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quote: Canada could offer... splitting the US down the middle. They can have California. We'll take Mass and New York. Of course, we'll have toi learn how to spell Massachuesaetts, first.

	19-04-2003 12:08									#78
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I could never get that one right either.

Massachussets?

	19-04-2003 12:10									#79
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I don't think we've won yet.

	19-04-2003 12:11									#80
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quote: Originally posted by Frogger 7 of last 9 vetoes were by US. Six dealt with Israel. A man with an israeli flag ought to keep that in mind.

Actually, I wouldn't mind resolutions that tell Israel to **** off. If Israel did **** off, Palestine would be forced to make a serious agreement. Of course it wouldn't, and the UN would cut Israel some slack.

	19-04-2003 12:12									#81
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Hah. Israel would just tell the UN to **** off right back, and so on...

	19-04-2003 12:12									#82
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Ahh, thw it. We should simply rename it Massachussouts and be done with it.

We win!

	19-04-2003 12:14									#83
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Or Frenchify it and call it Massachuits.

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quote: Ahh, thw it. We should simply remane it Massachusseuts and be done with it.

I vote for John A. Macdonaldland.

It just rolls right off the tongue!

	19-04-2003 12:15									#85
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I think that the UNSC idea is unfair, because the deciding parties have interest in the action, and are not interested in the supposed goals of the UN, like "justice" and "the betterment of everyone".

	19-04-2003 12:16									#86
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Duh. The alternative is One World Government. Which I wouldn't mind, of course...

	19-04-2003 12:17									#87
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quote: Originally posted by cinch I vote for John A. Macdonaldland. It just rolls right off the tongue!

Good idea!

btw, you missed the edit to 'ou'. That was an important bit that I screwed up to start with. The invasion is not going well, I fear.

	19-04-2003 12:18									#88
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quote: Originally posted by Frogger Hah. Israel would just tell the UN to **** off right back, and so on...

That's the other possibility. Israel would, in effect, veto the resolution by ignoring it with US encouragement. And things would still be the same.

	19-04-2003 12:19									#89
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You guys might want to build an army before you start discussing how you're going to divvy up the US.

	19-04-2003 12:21									#90
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An Army?

I'll get on the phone to Winnipeg.