21-04-2003 01:02									#61
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quote: Originally posted by Ted Striker That's a nice article there but it still doesn't explain why Saddam spent billions on palaces and stupid **** instead of feeding his own people. Meanwhile the people in Northern Iraq (who DID spend oil money on food) were doing fine the whole time.

From "THE HEALTH CONDITIONS OF THE POPULATION IN IRAQ SINCE THE GULF CRISIS" by WHO

http://www.monde-diplomatique.fr/ca...ma-oms-mars1996

Incidence rates of new malaria cases in Iraq, 1989-1994

Year Malaria incidence rate
(15 Governorates) (3 Northern Governorates)
No. Per 100 000 No. Per 100 000
1989 1 510 10.4 1 918 87.2
1990 1 761 11.7 2 163 95
1991 4 025 25.9 1 087 46.1
1992 5 535 34.4 12 916 530.2
1993 4 589 27.6 36 490 1 466.0
1994 22 169 128.7 67 462 2 585.2

Source : Ministry of Health, Government of Iraq

	21-04-2003 01:03									#62
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Every civilized nation has universal health care


(few can even get it to function adequately )

	21-04-2003 01:10									#63
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quote: Originally posted by paiktis22 Every civilized nation has universal health care (few can even get it to function adequately )

	21-04-2003 01:11									#64
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if you get it to run efficiently... and without any corruption... but still I don't think it has such a low cost...

	21-04-2003 01:12									#65
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Just try and see how much do our systems cost in comparison to the americans' as a percentage of GDP.

	21-04-2003 01:56									#66
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quote: Originally posted by jolair From "THE HEALTH CONDITIONS OF THE POPULATION IN IRAQ SINCE THE GULF CRISIS" by WHO http://www.monde-diplomatique.fr/ca...ma-oms-mars1996 Incidence rates of new malaria cases in Iraq, 1989-1994 Year Malaria incidence rate (15 Governorates) (3 Northern Governorates) No. Per 100 000 No. Per 100 000 1989 1 510 10.4 1 918 87.2 1990 1 761 11.7 2 163 95 1991 4 025 25.9 1 087 46.1 1992 5 535 34.4 12 916 530.2 1993 4 589 27.6 36 490 1 466.0 1994 22 169 128.7 67 462 2 585.2 Source : Ministry of Health, Government of Iraq

Ah, interesting your numbers stop at 1995.

You probably should have posted the following paragraph that was listed directly above your chart:

quote: However, in 1995, WHO, in collaboration with the European Union, has been able to raise funds and to control the malaria outbreak significantly in the northern provinces.

	21-04-2003 12:15									#67
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I propose that everyone in the US but Che gets universal health care.

	21-04-2003 12:16									#68
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I said that on the first page.

	21-04-2003 12:17									#69
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Hmm, so you did. Great minds and all...

	21-04-2003 12:18									#70
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Well I second the motion.

	21-04-2003 12:21									#71
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I propose that Che gets universal health care and no one else does.

	21-04-2003 12:23									#72
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	21-04-2003 16:10									#73
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Universal Health Care would cost less than the current system of Insurance. I read the same Labor study that Che mentioned. But why should rational fact get in the way of stubborn opposition?

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quote: Originally posted by Sava Universal Health Care would cost less than the current system of Insurance. I read the same Labor study that Che mentioned. But why should rational fact get in the way of stubborn opposition?

A Labor party study - couldn't be a little bit biased, could it?

The grass is always greener... We don't have universal health care, so of course it's cheaper to have a universal health care system. If we had a health care system, it would, of course, be cheaper to privatize it.

I'm a democrat, and I would love universal health care - provided it were financially feesable and remains financially feasable. I don't want to hear, like we do with medicare and social security, that universal healthcare will only be solvent for the next X years. And I am not at all convinced that it wont fall into that trap.

	21-04-2003 19:12									#75
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quote: Originally posted by Jaguar Warrior I propose that everyone in the US but Che gets universal health care.

I could live with that.

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Iraq has the money to afford universal pirmary healthcare...as for more advnaced coverage, that reamins to be seen.

As for the US: our healh care system is a disgrace in which funds are horribly wasted. A piss-poor job is done of preventive care, which is both the cheapest and most important of all, and when people don't have insurance, they are forced to wait till thier condition merits a trip to Emergency care, which means that by then far more money will be spent on it while ER staff is used to do non-emergency tasks.

US healthcare at the botom needs an immense overhaul.

	21-04-2003 20:21									#77
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Che, How can "we" have a "plan" for universal health care for the people of Iraq? We are not the government.

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On top of this, the US is going to create an adequately funded public secular school system in Iraq.

Does the fact that an Administration that is trying to kill public education at home and is fighting any attempt to have the state mitigate the worst aspects of our health care system at home is doing the exact opposite abroad? On top of that, they're committed to free and fair elections in Iraq. You know, if Bush supported all three of these things at home his handlers would all drop dead from heart atacks.

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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara On top of this, the US is going to create an adequately funded public secular school system in Iraq.

While in DC, I peaked at a WSJ front page: it was stating how a small company, "creative " something, won the $65 million dollar contract to get 2.1 million Iraqi kids back in school by Oct.

The bushies are syaing Iraq will get this and that...but remember Che how the promised this and that to Afghanistan as well.....

The current admin. thinks it can change the worl, and still be cheap and spend next to nothing. A strange and dangerous combination: Arrogantly ambitious and extremely stingy.

	21-04-2003 21:02									#80
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quote: Originally posted by MRT144 do the iraqis even have a large enough tax income to afford it?

Probably not. I bet they're counting on the mythical oil money which has already been spent three or four times over.

As for getting universal health care here, well, I already have health insurence so you folks can go pay for your own.

	21-04-2003 21:54									#81
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quote: Originally posted by Ned Che, How can "we" have a "plan" for universal health care for the people of Iraq? We are not the government.

We're the only government they've got right now and for the foreseeable future.

	21-04-2003 22:10									#82
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quote: Originally posted by Ned Che, How can "we" have a "plan" for universal health care for the people of Iraq? We are not the government.

We've got a plan for a war. We've got a plan for peace. We've got plans for the oil. Why can't we have a plan for health care? I just wish we had a plan for Americans' health care.

	21-04-2003 22:37									#83
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Does the fact that an Administration that is trying to kill public education at home ... is doing the exact opposite abroad?

I'm curious how the Administration could even be in a position to kill public education when the federal government doesn't even provide anything aproaching a majority of the funds used for those programs.