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Albert Speer
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Puerile Polemic
Mar 1999
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Urban Ranger:
Nietzsche was in no way a determinist... he believed in complete personal responsibility... was a subjectivist... he seems to be an existentialist although an existentialist who saw strength as the supreme virtue. thus, compared to Sartre and all the other leftist existentialists, nietzsche was a right-wing one.
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MRT144
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Seattle Washington
Oct 2002
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just because my trolls are one liners and yours are several sentences strung together doesnt make yours any less of a troll.
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Kuzelj
Nov 2000
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Albert Speer
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Puerile Polemic
Mar 1999
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Kropotkin:
though like I said Nietzsche probably laid the foundations of existentialism though he lived decades before Sartre.
Except I really don't understand how existentialism works with anything but a capitalist mind-set... if people have complete responsibility for themselves then how can existentialists be communist? Marxism depends upon the idea that the poor have no ability to rise economically while existentialist thinking would say that the poor are poor because they made themselves that way. Can anyone explain to me how existentialism doesn't contradict marxism?
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Agathon
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Leafs 4TW!! - CPA
Dec 2002
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quote:
Originally posted by Berzerker
Agathon -
Freedom means the absence of coercion or constraint on choice or action, does not being murdered constrain your choices or actions? |
That's highly debatable and also has nothing to do with the way the existentialists are using the term, which is necessarily prior to any sort of moral commitment you make.
Here's their position.
"There is no God, or at least we cannot know that he exists. Moreover, the universe and human life seem to have no discernable purpose. There is no black and white in fact, the world is supremely indifferent to our wants and cares. The only thing that is certain is that my existence precedes my essence, in other words, the bare fact of my being is unconstrained by any norms of value: my life has only the purposes I create for it. I may choose to be a murderer or a saint, but there is no sign or fact in reality that counts for one being better than the other.
Of course I can choose to live with the essence society foists on me, but such an existence is in "bad faith" since the only reality is that I have absolute freedom to choose the values I want, and the choice is inescapable, due to the structure of consciousness. Consciousness is such that it cannot be reduced to ordinary "thing-ness" (like the being of an ordinary material object) which is essentially what I do when I am in bad faith - I abdicate my freedom and become a thing instead of a person.
The reason that consciousness cannot be reduced to thing-ness is that consciousness is intentional (it is directed at things) and the choice of what to direct it at is inescapably mine (even if I pretend it isn't). Thus my consciousness transcends my immediate object of awareness. When we direct our thought at ourselves this gives us the illusion of a transcendent soul.
This is roughly Sartre's position, although I am by no means a Sartre expert.
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28-04-2003 22:26
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