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Berzerker is offline Berzerker
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May 1999
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Agathon -
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Obviously, you haven't been reading much.


You mean debates where you don't tell others why you're so smart? Nope, I just read the debates I'm involved with, and you've consistently used appeals to authority - your alleged credentials.

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I put that in at the beginning because it's my professional opinion regarding the subject of my job.


You started this thread to tell us about your job or to take a test?

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If there was some quiz or statement made that some Apolytoner was reasonably expert about, I'd want to hear their views.


In other words, you were once again touting your alleged expertise before us.

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Trying to turn this into anything else is just silly.


I've seen a number of these tests offered by apolytoners and you're the only one who felt the need to announce what an expert you are.

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I already explained this.


And yet you said this:

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It doesn't commit you to any of their normative beliefs (say their views on the state).


And then you accused some right wingers here of being "welfare liberals" based upon the test results. So make up your mind...

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There is no ironclad logical connection between the latter and the former. In other words it is possible to agree with someone like Rand about what form moral arguments and justifications have to take without agreeing with the positions she takes on things.


And what was my objection? That you claimed the test exposed some right wingers as welfare liberals. You want it both ways... telling us the test doesn't describe a person's political ideology and then accuse some right wingers of being welfare liberals based upon the test.

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Given that people on this forum are often surprised when they find themselves agreeing on points with their usual enemies, I think this was a test worth taking. For example, Obiwan18 expresses surprise that he occasionally agrees with me. The test shows that he shouldn't be surprised since our metaethical views overlap to a considerable degree, even though I'm not a theist.


There are always some issues ideological opponents agree on, my only 2 critiques of the test are that #7 (universal law/morality) has a "no" option that basicly affirms the proposition. And where is an analysis of the questions and answers in how they relate to these philosophers? I'd like to see why Mill and Rand are so close together. I understand that Mill was a quasi-socialist in his later years, but more of a libertarian in his younger years.

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88% Kant
83% Spinoza

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Agathon

I've seen a number of these tests offered by apolytoners and you're the only one who felt the need to announce what an expert you are.


Asher trumpets his computing expertise; Imran and Rah have both mentioned their expertise with the law and several science students have mentioned their fields of expertise.

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And then you accused some right wingers here of being "welfare liberals" based upon the test results. So make up your mind...


I was joking you numbskull. It was amusing to see people frustrated at being found to agree with their ideological enemies. Hell, I was found to agree with Aquinas, which I found quite surprising.

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I understand that Mill was a quasi-socialist in his later years, but more of a libertarian in his younger years.


Why don't you read "On Liberty". It isn't long and is worth anyone's time.

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* Ben Kenobi waves.

Can't get much further apart than that.

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Sep 2001
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1. Aquinas

2. St. Augustine

3. Kant.

Damn.....Jeremey Bentham is only 7!

Berzerker is offline Berzerker
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Agathon -
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Asher trumpets his computing expertise; Imran and Rah have both mentioned their expertise with the law and several science students have mentioned their fields of expertise.


I haven't debated Asher and neither Rah or Imran have tried using their credentials as an argument for accepting their positions that I know of. I'm not saying you did that in this thread but you have in the past. Sikander has explained that you come off as snobbish, that's my only point. Btw, I think Rah mentioned his experience with the law only after you did in the Masters thread.

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I was joking you numbskull. It was amusing to see people frustrated at being found to agree with their ideological enemies. Hell, I was found to agree with Aquinas, which I found quite surprising.


Well live and learn, you have a sense of humor. Smilies will help identify your ambiguous attempts at humor. I'm sure there are leftists here who took the test but you didn't say they were exposed as right wing free marketeers...

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Why don't you read "On Liberty". It isn't long and is worth anyone's time.


I'll give it a look this summer if I get the chance, Ayn is at the top of my list of political reading.

Tingkai is offline Tingkai
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Aug 2001
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Hume 100%
Aristotle 96%
Aquinas 94%

And I have no idea what this means.

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Apr 2002
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Spinoza seems to be in the 70% or above mark for just about everybody...what was his philosophy, anyway?

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Oct 2002
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Originally posted by Berzerker


Translation: "My name is Agathon, kneel before me as I look down upon you with disdain from my ivory tower."


says the one who doesnt need an ivory tower to look down at people

anyway im

perspectivism(100%)
Kant(91%)
Spinoza(90%)

GeneralTacticus is offline GeneralTacticus
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1. Jean-Paul Sartre (100%)
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2. John Stuart Mill (92%)
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3. Kant (87%)
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4. Ayn Rand (72%)
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5. Jeremy Bentham (62%)
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6. Prescriptivism (55%)
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7. Aquinas (51%)
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8. Epicureans (49%)
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9. Aristotle (40%)
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10. David Hume (33%)
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11. St. Augustine (30%)
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12. Plato (29%)
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13. Stoics (29%)
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14. Ockham (28%)
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15. Nel Noddings (25%)
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16. Spinoza (25%)
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17. Nietzsche (22%)
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18. Thomas Hobbes (22%)
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19. Cynics (16%)
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Can somebody here explain to me what exactly existentialism is?

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Did you answer honestly GT? I thought you were more of a determinist

-Jam

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What on earth gave you that impression?

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Hehehehe I'm just winding you up.

-Jam

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1. Kant (100%)
2. Jean-Paul Sartre (97%)
3. Stoics (75%)
4. John Stuart Mill (68%)
5. Spinoza (67%)

I thought it only fair to post mine too But where's Wittgenstein? Russell? Hmmm?

-Jam

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1. Kant (100)
2. Satre (91)

I am shocked that so many right-wingies had Kant on top.

That means:

a. The test is bullshit

b. Interesting, Right-wingies aren't so dumb after all, they have just their eyes closed.

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  Old Post 28-04-2003 17:20
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Not much on philosophy so I don't really know what this test is telling me, but here are my top 10 "likenesses":

JS Mill: 100%
Aristotle: 93
Aquinas: 90
Kant: 88
Ayn Rand: 86
Epicureans: 71
Bentham: 69
Prescriptivism: 61 (never heard of this movement)
Stoics: 58
Spinoza: 52
Okham: 52 (tied with Spinoza)

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"I've seen a number of these tests offered by apolytoners and you're the only one who felt the need to announce what an expert you are. "

What? Haven't you read my parenting threads???

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Ayn Rand
Aquinas
J Stuart Mill
Kant
Aristotle

Fortunately Agathon already told us why Rand is first because I never red any of her works.

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That's such a weird concatenation of opposed views that I can't see how to reconcile them. I suppose that Bentham, Plato and Hobbes all favour authoritarianism in some form. But Rand and Sartre are rugged individualists.

Strange....


People keep saying I have split personality .... im starting to believe them.
I think im the classic 'to rule or ruin the state' type of man

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"When we choose something for ourselves, we should choose it for all people."

Sartre seems more of a communist then an individualist ?
Utilitarianism sounds decent enough though, the end justifies the means i think it seems to be getting at.

I'm in way over my head

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It s funny but the only philosopher I know anything about (and agree with) is Karl Popper and he wasnt on the list.

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That means:

a. The test is bullshit


Now that's a philosophy I agree with.

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1. Sartre - 100%
2. Rand - 80%
3. Bentham - 79%
4. Mill - 77%
5. Kant - 72%

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1. Aquinas (100%)
2. Jean-Paul Sartre (90%)
3. Nietzsche (86%)
4. Spinoza (82%)
5. David Hume (78%)
6. Aristotle (74%)


86% Nietzche??? You've got to be kidding!!! I hate that guy!!!

I've only read about one Philosopher, who I partly agree with, though I don't remember his name... was some old greek guy I think (Had philosophy for a year, but never learned their names... I only got a good grade, because I was good at philosophi'ing myself )

How I see the world, there haven't been any questions about, so the test was useless...

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1. Jean-Paul Sartre (100%)
2. Aquinas (81%)
3. Jeremy Bentham (74%)
4. David Hume (71%)
5. Stoics (70%)
6. Kant (69%)
7. Spinoza (69%)
8. John Stuart Mill (68%)
9. Plato (66%)
10. Nel Noddings (59%)
11. Aristotle (55%)
12. Nietzsche (54%)
13. Prescriptivism (52%)
14. St. Augustine (50%)
15. Ockham (46%)
16. Ayn Rand (45%)
17. Thomas Hobbes (34%)
18. Cynics (31%)
19. Epicureans (2%)

I seem to have very little agreement with anyone but Sartre and perhaps Aquinas and I'm diametrically opposed to the Epicureans . Never read Sartre's philosophy but I did read "the Reprieve". A godawfully depressing book which grew on me.

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It s funny but the only philosopher I know anything about (and agree with) is Karl Popper and he wasnt on the list.


Because he's not really famous for his meta-ethical views.

This test only rates your views on the nature of morality, nothing else.

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86% Nietzche??? You've got to be kidding!!! I hate that guy!!!


Apparently you and he have much in common.

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I've only read about one Philosopher, who I partly agree with, though I don't remember his name... was some old greek guy I think.


Plato? Aristotle?

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How I see the world, there haven't been any questions about, so the test was useless...


As I said, this is a test on your view of morality not your general view of the world. I'll look for one of those.

Here, try this one: same guy...

http://www.selectsmart.com/FREE/sel...p?client=philos

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1. Nietzsche (100%)
2. David Hume (86%)
3. Spinoza (76%)
4. Stoics (75%)
5. Thomas Hobbes (75%)
6. Jean-Paul Sartre (70%)
7. Epicureans (64%)
8. Aristotle (57%)
9. Cynics (57%)
10. Aquinas (55%)
11. Ayn Rand (52%)
12. Plato (41%)
13. John Stuart Mill (38%)
14. Kant (36%)
15. St. Augustine (36%)
16. Jeremy Bentham (33%)
17. Nel Noddings (33%)
18. Prescriptivism (31%)
19. Ockham (27%)


Works for me

 
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