29-04-2003 02:34									#1
	Are we really liberators? US Troops break up Saddam birthday party in Tikrit. Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tm...q_birthday_dc_1

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quote: "We only want to celebrate peacefully,"" primary school teacher Sabahan Harez, 50, said. "Where is the freedom of expression the Americans boast so much about."

	29-04-2003 02:37									#2
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Who in their right mind would want to hold a birthday party for that man? I would of broke that birthday party up myself....

	29-04-2003 02:38									#3
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quote: Originally posted by Fez Who in their right mind would want to hold a birthday party for that man? I would of broke that birthday party up myself....

Freedom of Expression, Fez.

If I wanted to, I could hold a birthday party for him right now, and I'd have every right to.

	29-04-2003 02:39									#4
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i think that people will use any excuse for a holiday. we still have columbus day!!

	29-04-2003 02:39									#5
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You missed a better one:

quote: Young girls in bright red dresses jumped on the spot holding up portraits of him and chanted: "We will sacrifice our souls and blood for Saddam Hussein."

Nope, can't see any security issues with such a pleasant group of peace loving Iraqis...

And also:

quote: Some residents said Saddam's iron rule had only taught the people to make a show of loving him, even if they did not feel it. "The truth is people hate him. I do," Ali Abdullah, 50, a wheat farmer, said. "I care more about this old shoe here with the hole in it more than I do about Saddam."

	29-04-2003 02:40									#6
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Tass, thanks for misquoting the article.

It seems like people were gonna commit suicide missions for Saddam.

	29-04-2003 02:40									#7
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why not let them celebrate?

	29-04-2003 02:44									#8
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quote: Originally posted by orange why not let them celebrate?

gunk looks like he provided an adequate answer in the first half of his post.

	29-04-2003 02:45									#9
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In case it wasn't obvious, the "We will sacrifice our souls and blood for Saddam Hussein" blah is inciting violence, when American troops are still getting shot at in Tikrit.

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so people are not free to supprot saddam and bomb americans who are on their soil?

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quote: Nope, can't see any security issues with such a pleasant group of peace loving Iraqis...

And if an American says they'd sacrafice their blood for America, should the entire world view it as a secuirty threat?

They haven't done anything, they haven't threatened to do anything. Therefore its freedom of speech.

quote: And also:

Ok, then he has ever right to leave the party. However, US troops going in and acting like the place is under martial law.....Is inexcusable.

quote: Tass, thanks for misquoting the article.

It's not a misquote, fez Just read the article, and feel englightenened

quote: It seems like people were gonna commit suicide missions for Saddam.

They never said that. If someone in America says "I hate them arabs. We should go bomb them.", then should there be a pre-emptive strike? I mean, that could mean that hes going to slaughter some Arabs.....

quote: Originally posted by orange why not let them celebrate?

Cause the US doesn't want them to

	29-04-2003 02:47									#12
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quote: Originally posted by DanS In case it wasn't obvious, the "We will sacrifice our souls and blood for Saddam Hussein" blah is inciting violence, when American troops are still getting shot at in Tikrit.

Again, I've heard MANY people talk about bombing arabs and how they all are evil and need to die.....

Thats inciting violence as well. But as long as they do nothing, we cannot stop them from saying these things.

Your also forgetting that it was ONE person who said that......Theres always one person who will say that in most protests/celebrations, Dan

	29-04-2003 02:47									#13
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They should have let them celebrate. Freedom of speech. Or have you all forgotten that?

	29-04-2003 02:47									#14
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I believe it was a misquote. Infact you didn't even quote the article...

Tass... give it a rest...

	29-04-2003 02:49									#15
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But as long as they do nothing, we cannot stop them from saying these things.

Sure we can, if there are Arabs around.

	29-04-2003 02:50									#16
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Tassadar, a war zone is by definition under marshall law. No cessation of hostilities has been declared by eithier side.

	29-04-2003 02:51									#17
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quote: Originally posted by Fez I believe it was a misquote. Infact you didn't even quote the article... Tass... give it a rest...

Fez, try READING the article for once Here, let me show you a picture I just took......

Oopsies, fez?

DanS:

	29-04-2003 02:52									#18
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quote: Originally posted by PLATO1003 Tassadar, a war zone is by definition under marshall law. No cessation of hostilities has been declared by eithier side.

Alright......So we don't bother breaking up pro-american celebrations we'll break up celebrations for Saddam.....

We Americans aren't invaders! Honest!!! Were simply doing it for their own good

	29-04-2003 02:53									#19
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quote: Originally posted by Fez Who in their right mind would want to hold a birthday party for that man? I would of broke that birthday party up myself....

FEZ! You're back buddy! Good to see you man; the place isn't as diverse without you around.

	29-04-2003 02:53									#20
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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin FEZ! You're back buddy! Good to see you man; the place isn't as diverse without you around.

He may be back, but he hasn't changed a bit

	29-04-2003 02:54									#21
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quote: Sure we can, if there are Arabs around.

Racist.

	29-04-2003 02:55									#22
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Read his whole post, you POS. Don't take my words out of context.

	29-04-2003 02:55									#23
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quote: Originally posted by Tassadar5000 Fez, try READING the article for once Here, let me show you a picture I just took...... Oopsies, fez? DanS:

You use the [ quote ] and [/ quote ] features. Not the attachment. Plus you have proven nothing besides your own lack of intelligence.

	29-04-2003 02:57									#24
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Don't assume Tikriti opinion representative of Iraqi opinion as a whole, Tikrit is Saddam's hometown

	29-04-2003 02:57									#25
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quote: Originally posted by Tassadar5000 Alright......So we don't bother breaking up pro-american celebrations we'll break up celebrations for Saddam..... We Americans aren't invaders! Honest!!! Were simply doing it for their own good

Do you realize how ignorant this sounds? I suppose you're also not happy that the conquoring WW2 allies outlawed the Nazi party and forced the German, well West German, government to be deNazified. I think we can all agree that (West) Germany has been a true democracy for the last 50-60 years even though bastard Nazis weren't/aren't allowed to hold public rallies.

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quote: Originally posted by Fez You use the [ quote ] and [/ quote ] features. Not the attachment.

But yousee: I QUOTED THE ARTICLE, WORD FOR WORD.

quote: Plus you have proven nothing besides your own lack of intelligence.

I'm not the one who said it wasn't even in the article fez........Guess who said this quote:

quote: Infact you didn't even quote the article...

	29-04-2003 02:58									#27
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quote: Originally posted by Tassadar5000 Alright......So we don't bother breaking up pro-american celebrations we'll break up celebrations for Saddam..... We Americans aren't invaders! Honest!!! Were simply doing it for their own good

Ultimately your final paragraph will prove to be true. Stabilization has to be achieved before all freedoms can be restored. No one said we weren't invaders. They just said we are not occupiers. The US government has repeatedly said that we will stay no longer than necessary to turn Iraq over to the Iraqi people. In the interim, it is in everyone's best interest that the country be stabilized. To suggest anything else is irresponsible.

	29-04-2003 02:58									#28
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quote: Originally posted by Tassadar5000 we cannot stop them from saying these things.

We obviously can. Otherwise you wouldn't have made a thread about it.

	29-04-2003 02:59									#29
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Tass, you have problems. I don't know what is wrong with you.. but you are missing the point, the area in question, Iraq, is under martial law for the time being as there is still hostilities.

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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin I suppose you're also not happy that the conquoring WW2 allies outlawed the Nazi party and forced the German, well West German, government to be deNazified.

Yes, because it was certifiable that the Nazi Party hated us. But you see: The Nazi Party is a POLITICAL PARTY.

Even here in America there are pro-nazi rallies. We should bring OUR freedom to them, not change the freedom around a bit to only hold pro-american celebrations.

And I think its a shame Germany won't allow the glorifying of a criminal event or any nazi symbols AT ALL or any mention of Hitler AT ALL or.........Because thats freedom of speech and expression, and Germany does not quite have it yet.