02-05-2003 08:36									#211
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I'd say 'of course not, you have other people to be violent for you, in true fascist fashion', but I know when to stop.

	02-05-2003 08:36									#212
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quote: Originally posted by Plan Austral Fez, from 1946 to 1948, when Spain was isolated country seen as the only remaining fascist state in Europe, it received a lot of help from Peron, Evita even visited Franco in those times.

Look, we were isolated. And that was that. But we were abled to grow our own crops. I have even asked my grandmother who lived in that time... she told me stories about it. My grandfather who isn't around anymore, I would of liked to talk to about the civil war which he fought in.

	02-05-2003 08:37									#213
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Fez..all you have to do is remind the nice argentines how their country was number #8 in the world in terms of income in 1900...and now, well, now it sure as hell isn't.

( Sorry to say Argentines don't have very good press in most of Latin America )

	02-05-2003 08:37									#214
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We should stop discussing, Fez has returned to the forums and it would be bad for the forums to get Fez banned so soon.

Fez is major fun.

	02-05-2003 08:37									#215
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quote: Originally posted by El Awrence I'd say 'of course not, you have other people to be violent for you, in true fascist fashion', but I know when to stop.

You know I bet you are an annoying but handsome fellow.. how about stopping? Lets shake hands instead?

	02-05-2003 08:38									#216
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quote: and now, well, now it sure as hell isn't.

Ah, well, so we have the British and US prodding the military to screw us over to blame for, don't we, GePap?

	02-05-2003 08:39									#217
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Plan Austral, there isn't a point of me being here. And Ming or MtG will probably say "That ***** has been at it again? And push the ban button."

Anyways all you do is poke fun at me. For my country of birth? I may never know..

	02-05-2003 08:39									#218
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All right, last one.

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	02-05-2003 08:40									#219
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Am I the only one here who remembers that ten and 1 day years Monica Seles got stabbed by a crazy Steffi Graf fan?

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quote: Originally posted by El Awrence Ah, well, so we have the British and US prodding the military to screw us over to blame for, don't we, GePap?

Nah, you guys did it all to yourselves..be proud, no other state has gone down so many steps as Argentina

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quote: Originally posted by Sava All right, last one.

That is a terrible picture.. so old... and what a bad haircut I had!



Don't say I didn't warn you.

	02-05-2003 08:43									#222
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quote: Nah, you guys did it all to yourselves..be proud, no other state has gone down so many steps as Argentina

GeP, don't flatter us, we couldn't have managed it without foreign assistance.

	02-05-2003 08:43									#223
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Argh, it is hard to attack your views Gepap, because you are right.. : (

	02-05-2003 08:43									#224
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You look like you lost weight somehow.

(So now we know who to aim for...... )

	02-05-2003 08:44									#225
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quote: Originally posted by El Awrence GeP, don't flatter us, we couldn't have managed it without foreign assistance.

No man, Argentines are THAT good!

	02-05-2003 08:46									#226
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GePap, the picture is only taken at a different angle.. and when smiling it seems my cheeks are fatter..

	02-05-2003 08:46									#227
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Do you really think so, GePap? I mean, we're a ripoff culture off most of European countries after all...

	02-05-2003 08:48									#228
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quote: I mean, we're a ripoff culture off most of European countries after all...

It seems like you are finally admitting it..

Buenos Aires always seemed to try and copy my home city, Madrid in a way... not very successfully though.

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quote: Originally posted by El Awrence Do you really think so, GePap? I mean, we're a ripoff culture off most of European countries after all...

Of course..I mean look at a Map..it used to be mostly European, now it is not. You are fulfilling the happy and fine traditions laid out by the many immigrants to argentina.

At least Don Francisco is Argentine.

	02-05-2003 08:51									#230
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The only positive thing I can think of is saying something utter pathetic like "Argentina will rise again!"
a la southern red-neck.

Anyway, hopefully in 17 days, a big part of our dark past will be buried.

	02-05-2003 08:53									#231
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Who is Don Francisco?

	02-05-2003 08:53									#232
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quote: Buenos Aires always seemed to try and copy my home city, Madrid in a way... not very successfully though.

Ahem, Buenos Aires always tried to copy Paris...

quote: Of course..I mean look at a Map..it used to be mostly European, now it is not. You are fulfilling the happy and fine traditions laid out by the many immigrants to argentina. At least Don Francisco is Argentine.

Don Francisco? WTF?

	02-05-2003 08:53									#233
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quote: Nah, you guys did it all to yourselves..be proud, no other state has gone down so many steps as Argentina

No, i'm sorry but other countries in the world helped us.
By 1940 we had the government of Peron (although i'm not peronist he did some good things..and some others bad) and we where the 7th economy in the world (bigger than canada and others). Peron estatized all the public companies and we were in our top. In the 70's we had our most terrible military coup of General Videla that WAS argentinian but he was educated in USA and his coup was suppourted and aided by USA. Even he had a meeting with the USA president at the time (don't remember his name).
In 1983 the coup ended, leaving 30.000 ''dissapeared'' people most of them of Middle class and some of them with left wing ideas but some others not.
In 1989 president Menem assumed and in his 10 years of presidency he privaticed all the state companies that Peron estatized(notice the contradiction, as menem claims to be a peronist). The IMF suggested this privatizations and Menem did it. For many years the IMF regarded Argentina as an example ''perfect economy policie''. And that ''perfect economic policy'' suggested by the IMF is what in great part lead us to the current situation. Even today the IMF continue pressing on privatizations and they tell us to ''be tough'' with riots. Menem continues to be a great friend of Mr. Bush father until today.

	02-05-2003 08:59									#234
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WHAT! Sabado Gigante is not a big hit in Argentina!

No wonder you get along so well with other Latin American states...

	02-05-2003 09:00									#235
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Well, I will go to sleep with a clear conscience, blaming it all on the USA, evil communist zionists, evil capitalist zionists, the pope and fate.

Bye

	02-05-2003 09:03									#236
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I wanna admit this right now: I love Argentina. I don't want to leave this country in two - three months and go to California. If given the choice, I prefer to live here instead. My folks are moving to Northern Italy.

And by the way I lied about my boyfriend, he isn't mexican, he is infact Argentine. I just said he wasn't because I could be cornered. Well no sense in denying it.

	02-05-2003 09:07									#237
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quote: Originally posted by South killer No, i'm sorry but other countries in the world helped us. By 1940 we had the government of Peron (although i'm not peronist he did some good things..and some others bad) and we where the 7th economy in the world (bigger than canada and others). Peron estatized all the public companies and we were in our top.[/B]

I think it was 1945 when Argentina was ranked the 7th economy in the world. Considering that most of the rest of the world was in ruins that's not so surprising. You also have to take into account that by that time Argentina had already received large sums of money from the Nazis. Soon nosy old Uncle Sam was insisting that Argentina give it back. Peron wasn't in power in 1940. I think he assumed the Presidency in 1945 or 1946. By the time Peron left (1952 or 1953?) Argentina was near bankruptcy and had certainly slipped far down the ladder as the nations of Europe began to recover from the war (and got their money back).

	02-05-2003 09:15									#238
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quote: Peron wasn't in power in 1940

I wanted to mean in the 40's. I'm a bit sleepy.

quote: You also have to take into account that by that time Argentina had already received large sums of money from the Nazis.

I know. and that's why i told i'm not peronist. He did some things good (nationalizing public companies, closing the external debt) but he was pro-nazi and he didn't let very much free speech.
What i wanted with my post is to enfasize the fact that USA and other countries got benefits with the fall of Argentina and helped it to fall (helping Videla, the IMF telling our gov. what to do, etc.)
Our fall is the fault of our politicians but also of some foreing countries (especially USA), that helped to consolidate our fall.

	02-05-2003 09:18									#239
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Argentina was already within the top 8 as of 1900 (In theory behind the likes of the (US, Germany, UK, France, Russia, and so on). So their high spot was not just due to WW2 devastation and Nazi money but trade in agricultural commodities. And they made a killing during WW1, one of the biggest winners, in terms of money.

	02-05-2003 09:19									#240
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I am going to sleep soon... with my argentine bf.. we often talk about this.. trying to make sure both are understanding with what each other say.

Anyways, I just want to say... I hope this country recovers soon. I want to see my friends have bright futures or they will have to leave the country.