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Bereta_Eder
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It has been a long dream of mine to get a doggy.
Unfortunately I had a minor case of kynophobia (fear of dogs) passed on from my mom (who she nevertheless loves them, she just can't be around them due to that irrational (hence phobia) fear.
Still, she was brave enough to force herself to be around one when I was little and I really really wanted a doggie (I guess I didn't suffer from kynophobia back then).
It was a belgian shepherd. The cuttest puppy in the world.  We used to play together, I'd throw the ball, it'd go and get it. We'd go for walks and play. It was also a bit stubborn since he didn't obey me always I really loved that doggie. Unfortunately we had to move to a new house in Belgium and there was a policy which forbitted dogs and we had to give it up to a shelter where a new owner would get it. I was with it only for a couple of weeks. I always remember it.
Then later on, I became a bit afraid of them, like my mum, only far, far less.
Now I think that I have overcame it. I can be around one, I can even carreess it. I'm a bit afraid when I meet stray dogs though. I change path 
Now I have a relatively big appartment and I would really like to go on with what fate wouldn't let me back then.
Get a doggie
I have read a lot and bought books etc on dogs.
I know that Belgian Shepherds are like the German ones only a bit more ferocious
But I don't think they're meant for an appartment no matter how big it is. Or maybe I'm wrong, read below.
I want to get the right breed of doggie for myself and for the doggie. So that noone would "suffer" from the other one's habits and needs
I would like to hear your suggestions as to what doggies could live in an appartment and not be miserable.
I am pretty fit and don't mind walking or running for long distances of time even on a daily basis (so if the breed of doggie needs it to get the exercise no problem - I'd get it too  )
Taken this in consideration what would you suggest me?
I'm particularly looking forward to hearing from dog owners.
Thanks
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Pekka
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em seu burro dos pais!
Feb 2002
time: 07:27
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Golden retvievers are my faves..  . But I like most dogs anyway, they are all cute when they're puppies, you just want to hold them and hug them, they have that puppy smell too, so you're smelling them all the time.. they're fun to play with also, and they're always happy to see you, even if you're tired and angry. Yeah.. dogs rule.
But you must make sure that you can take the dog out and walk and run with it everyday, they need it.. they really do.. I hate it when I see dog owners who don't take responsibility, meaning that they don't take care of them.. dogs hide suffering pretty well to an extent, so when I see unhappy dog, I get angry! Or that someone is yelling like crazy to a dog when it didn't do anything.. and sometimes even beating! If I see beating (more than a slap), I go right into it and stop it. Owner is the one then needing a beating. Bad dog owners are evil.
Oh what was the question again?
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Pekka
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em seu burro dos pais!
Feb 2002
time: 07:27
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Yeah, they can become rather large, correct. Also I don't know they have that long hair, so they might get awfully hot too, you know in Greece and all.. My folks have a new doggie in the US, and it gets very hot and humid in summer so it's not good for the dog, because it has a long hair too.. they have AC and a yard she can play in, and there's this small kiddy pool so she's in the pool all the time cooling off.. it's really important. Dogs can't take that heat that good you know.. They don't sweat like people.
But as it gets bigger, it's not so wild anymore, so smaller apartment is not that big of a problem, if it's not very small apartment that is. It would be nice if there's a closed yard (fences), so the dog could play outside too on it's own when you don't feel like it. They really need to move a lot younger, and older too, but especially younger. Labradors are cool too 
But if there's no possibility of yard, it's ok if you can take it out often enough. It gets on your nerves many times when you feel tired and doggie is whining and asking to go out when you're super tired.. so it's a pain in the butt many times, but eventually you'll take it out because you can't live with your consciouss reminding you that the special one needs some exericize .
I don't know how hot it is usually where you live, but if it has long hair, there should be possibilitiy of her/him to cool down somewhere.. Maybe not swimming, though dogs usually like it, but .. well you know. Something.
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dejon
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Belgian Shepards are not appropriate for an apartment, and by the way, they're less agressive than Germans, and smarter too.
Search for and take a few tests like this one to help find a few appropriate breeds.
Purina Dog Breed Finder
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Pekka
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em seu burro dos pais!
Feb 2002
time: 07:27
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Japher, exactly.. the dog will take you as a master. You're the boss, and if you're good to him/her, they'll have no problems. Dogs are cool, they like you for what you are.. and are super loyal. And like Japher said, they're adaptive too. But you can't brake the trust, because then you're being stupid, they would never do that. I played 'rescue me' things sometimes when my dog was younger (rip), it would save me from drowning, coming reaaally fast to water and I could just grab it and it would swim me back to the shore.. it was great. I only yelled 'HEELP!' and she knew right then that she must come and help, and she did.. if I was in real danger, she would have saved me.. Also I did a mistake of going into sleeping bag, closing it and yelling 'heeelp', she tried to dig me out, scratching my face like crazy .. after that I never played it, because she took it seriously. Also we played hide and seek, it was fun because she wouldn't look where I was going and when I whislted, it started looking. Man she was fast finding me! Few times she couldn't find me right away, but she never stopped looking... that's loyalty. Also they're great for meeting chicks, many of them like dogs, so they come and ask 'what's its name, how old is she' and stuff like that.. so they great for that too sometimes.
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Pekka
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em seu burro dos pais!
Feb 2002
time: 07:27
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Japher, I know the feeling. I mean the security factor they bring into the picture.. You know, that they will defend you to the death. That's always nice comforting feeling.. My dog wasn't trained.. well I trained her a little, normal stuff but nothing fancy.. it was funny though, she never bit me except for play, but it bit my mom a little when she yelled at me and was coming towards me.. it just gave this crazy GRRRRRRR and placed her mouth into my moms ancle. She stopped right there . Of course she let go when I told her to.. but it was nice, she did it to my father too when we were arguing. Wasn't violent at all, but when she thought I was in trouble, she'd forget that these were all friends and knew each other well and decided to step in between 'attacker' and me. It was a nice feeling .
Dogs are pretty good for protecting someone.. they are comforting, keeps you company, and can defend and are loyal and will defend.
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02-05-2003 04:17
) and they were very good dogs to have around children. They weren't aggressive, they didn't bark to much, and they generally were very friendly with everyone (the joke was if a bugrular broke into our house the dog would lick them to death). 
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