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Promethus is offline Promethus
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Abuse Accusations Plague Key West Police Department
By NICK MADIGAN


KEY WEST, Fla., April 30 — The messages appeared a few days ago, stuck to the otherwise cheerful windows of stores selling T-shirts and paintings of blue, grinning dolphins.

"If you do not resist being cuffed by Key West cops," one of the handwritten signs said, "you may be giving up your final chance."

Another used an expletive to insult people who felt safe under the protection of the police. A third recalled the Nazis in referring to the beating of a handcuffed sailor.

Accusations that Key West officers have acted with excessive force over the last few years have tainted the reputation of the police department and cast a shadow over a town better known for its tropical charm and an air of unabashed, rum-fueled hedonism.

One former officer, Michael Beerbower, is to stand trial on May 19 on charges that he punched a sailor he had handcuffed outside a bar. Another officer was accused of pepper-spraying a suspect who was offering no resistance, a third reportedly beat a man with a baton, and two more officers were accused of falsifying reports about the beating.

Mr. Beerbower's is the only case to come to trial, but he and three of the other officers accused of wrongdoing have left the police force.

Most of these cases came to light in a two-year investigation by the Monroe County state attorney's office, which found that the department had failed to act upon, or even look into, some of the accusations against its officers.

"I don't think it's a department out of control," said Catherine Vogel, chief assistant state attorney for Monroe County, who will prosecute Mr. Beerbower. "It needed a wake-up call."

Last fall, after months of lobbying by a group of residents, voters here approved a measure to create a citizens' board to review complaints against the Key West Police Department. The process of choosing board members has already begun, said City Manager Julio Avael, who, along with Police Chief Gordon Dillon, had initially resisted the notion of citizen oversight of the police.

"There were some problems with the police department that we needed to address, and it was addressed," Mr. Avael said in an interview.

Sandra Butler Whyte, a resident who was a vigorous advocate of the citizens' review board, described "a real level of anxiety and mistrust in this community." She said, "There have been many, many cases of abuse, especially against minorities, that we haven't heard about."

The litany of complaints against officers is long. Four were suspended after shooting at a couple who were fleeing the police on Front Street, on the city's waterfront, in July 2001. The police chief and the city manager later overturned the suspensions, calling the policy on shooting in public places ambiguous.

One of the officers in the Front Street case was Sgt. Eric Biskup, who was accused of battering a tourist with his baton later that month, on July 29, 2001. Sergeant Biskup said at the time that he had resorted to the baton after the man tried to tackle him during a street brawl in front of Sloppy Joe's Bar.

Investigators from the state attorney's office found, based on accounts of bystanders and other officers, that two of the officers at the scene, Patrick Saunders and Geoffrey Harris, had falsified incident reports to cover up the circumstances of the melee. Both of those men left the force. Sergeant Biskup, the only accused officer still working in the department, attended counseling sessions as part of his deal with prosecutors to keep his job.

Chief Dillon said that Sergeant Biskup had been "picked up and slammed to the ground" in the Sloppy Joe's incident and that he had responded appropriately.

But the chief acknowledged, "We've had a couple of bad incidents."

One involved Lt. Al Flowers, who resigned last year after the state attorney's office found that in 1998 he had told a subordinate to falsify the record of an arrest in which he pepper-sprayed a man who was offering no resistance.

No one disputes that the 85 police officers in Key West, which attracts hundreds of thousands of visitors a year, have their hands full. The town's main thoroughfare, Duval Street, boasts dozens of bars, clubs and restaurants, most of which do a thriving business until the 4 a.m. closing time. A spring-break atmosphere prevails, especially on weekends, and loud carousing often spills into the narrow streets.
"Early in the morning on Duval Street, my guys sometimes go from one fight to another," Chief Dillon said. "There's too much alcohol and too many people in one small area."

Ms. Vogel, the assistant state attorney, said the department had made "great strides" in correcting its problems.

"Unfortunately, it took us filing charges for that to occur," she said.

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Opposition to Police brutality should be done on an individualized and LEGAL basis, through the courts. It is unfair to generalize that all cops are out to cause you bodily harm or abuse their power. We entrust our officers with the ability to do their jobs effectively, and we must keep that trust in them for them to do their jobs properly. If a bad apple or two come along and don't play by the rules, they will be punished accordingly.

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Cops are supposed to do their jobs. If they stop you for one or two questions, fine. But they shouldn't use excessive force. In Buenos Aires, that is a problem. The cops seem to think they are superior and there are a lot of problems because of that. And this type of behavior is even promoted in the department.

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OK so we have a start here - Orange belives that Citizen oversight is not "LEGAL"

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Opposition to Police brutality should be done on an individualized and LEGAL basis, through the courts. It is unfair to generalize that all cops are out to cause you bodily harm or abuse their power. We entrust our officers with the ability to do their jobs effectively, and we must keep that trust in them for them to do their jobs properly. If a bad apple or two come along and don't play by the rules, they will be punished accordingly.

Well said.

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Police brutality should be met with force. If a cop is beating you with a nightstick for no reason, pull your handgun out and shoot him. If a cop pepper sprays you for no reason, do the same.

After all, if anyone else was assaulting you with a weapon, and they were also armed with a firearm, no court would convict you for using a gun to protect yourself.

I'm not saying shoot cops for pulling you over. I'm saying that in the case of police brutality, shooting back is perfectly fine.

Now, you can make arguments that this will get you killed, and those are valid arguments, but they don't detract from the principle.

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Orange belives that Citizen oversight is not "LEGAL"


I never said that...I said it is almost always unwarranted.

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Police brutality should be met with force. If a cop is beating you with a nightstick for no reason, pull your handgun out and shoot him. If a cop pepper sprays you for no reason, do the same.

After all, if anyone else was assaulting you with a weapon, and they were also armed with a firearm, no court would convict you for using a gun to protect yourself.

I'm not saying shoot cops for pulling you over. I'm saying that in the case of police brutality, shooting back is perfectly fine.

Now, you can make arguments that this will get you killed, and those are valid arguments, but they don't detract from the principle.


Did I call it or what?

Floyd, since when is shooting someone a proper response to being mased?

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This is a bad idea for two main reasons:

1) The people on the revisory board will now think that they can get away with anything because they could terminate the employment of anybody pulling them over.

2 and more importantly) No one would want to be Police Officers anymore and the one we have would want to quit. Anarchy would reign (yeah, I know, not immediately). I am speaking with the opinion of someone who is an officer. Yes the police need supervision, but to continually add regulations and layer after layer of supervision because of a few head cases will NOT help. Actually it will help, but it will only help the criminals.

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oversight is always a good thing.

now if the U.N. would just allow oversight. I want to know where all that money has gone...

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Ontario Canada has had a civilian revue board for many years now, and the system works just fine. It gets involved automatically if any officer uses a firearm in the line of duty, and can be called in to investigate any other complaint. There was opposition from the police at first, but the two bodies now have a basically good relationship. And there's never been a case of a board member misusing his/her position; if it's done right, that simply can't happen.

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You know I prefer to have heavily armed police like what I see here in Argentina... sure.. but these police should take sensitivity courses or something. I see way too many submachine guns.. street cops have here... I mean... what gives? Any Argentine here will testify to that too.

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Checks and balances make Democracy work. The second you get rid of accountability and oversight, you get a totalitarian state.

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All school bullies become cops so their power can be legalised. If a cop if beating your ass, resist. I don't know about pulling a gun and shooting him (because killing someone takes a lot of strength) but if you find a handy metal chair, or metal bar, or mace, or fallen signpost nearby, use it. And yeah, there should be civilians with cameras followin the po's around everywhere and videotaping the arrests. That way, if the cops get too 'carried away' they can get indicted.

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This is a bad idea for two main reasons:

1) The people on the revisory board will now think that they can get away with anything because they could terminate the employment of anybody pulling them over.

An advisory board has the same legal restraints on the way it handles employees as any other entity. If it unjustly fires someone that person has the option of a legal remedy. A couple of successful lawsuits resulting in generous compensation of the agrieved will sober up any committee.
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2 and more importantly) No one would want to be Police Officers anymore and the one we have would want to quit. Anarchy would reign (yeah, I know, not immediately). I am speaking with the opinion of someone who is an officer. Yes the police need supervision, but to continually add regulations and layer after layer of supervision because of a few head cases will NOT help. Actually it will help, but it will only help the criminals.

If this is the case, that the police, who are a civilian agency anyway, can not tolerate civilian supervision, then we need to review who the police force is hiring. I'd like to think that the people who go for police work should have at least a little idealism vis a vis the role of the police officer in a democratic system. For the life of me I can't understand why cops seem to feel obligated to give their unquestioning support to fellow officers who turn rogue. I would think that a good cop would have more interest in seeing a rogue officer punished than the average citizen, since the rogue cop erodes community trust and diminishes the good cops prestige. Instead it appears that their fellow officers will bend over backwards to excuse them even to the point of condoning outright murder. You don't think that the public's feelings about such incidents make your job more difficult?

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This is a bad idea for two main reasons:

1) The people on the revisory board will now think that they can get away with anything because they could terminate the employment of anybody pulling them over.

2 and more importantly) No one would want to be Police Officers anymore and the one we have would want to quit.


Most major American cities have civilan revue boards overseeing cases of police misconduct. This stems from the late 60s and early 70s, when police corruption was exposed in many cities, along with evidence of police spying on political activists, and greater awareness of police brutality. It was felt, rightly, that the political administration was too close to the police to effectively oversee them. Civilian revue, however, is largely a paper tiger. It sounds fearsome, but is devoid of teeth.

The civilian oversight committees in Chicago, for example, for no cause to discipline officers accused of torture, despite said torture being proven in court, despite a massive report from Amnesty International (the first report ever by that organization against civilian police in the US), despite the firing of the commander in charge of the precinct where the torture was occuring. "Move along, nothing to see here you lookee loos."

Who watches the watchman? We entrust an organtization with the right to use force, up to and including deadly force. We have an obligation, therefore, to watch over them to ensure they are acting in a legal manner.

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For the life of me I can't understand why cops seem to feel obligated to give their unquestioning support to fellow officers who turn rogue. I would think that a good cop would have more interest in seeing a rogue officer punished than the average citizen, since the rogue cop erodes community trust and diminishes the good cops prestige. Instead it appears that their fellow officers will bend over backwards to excuse them even to the point of condoning outright murder.


This has always confused me as well.

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Beware of people with cameras at protests. They can be undercover cops. To find out, pretend you know them by slapping them on the small of their back. Thats where their gun usually is. Then say 'Oh I'm sorry, you arn't richahrd/lolitta.' Works every time. (unless their gun is on their ankle, but police guns are big, so you could see a big bulge if it was there i think.

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If I had my way:

I would put a camera on every single police officer (i.e. like in Aliens, the cameras would be on them). Also, I would put cameras in lots of public places. This would aid law enforcement in a big way, especially if there is facial recognition. It would also help to clean up corruption by making cops more accountable for their actions. The only drawback is the possibility of abuse of the surveillance. But in a democracy, where government is accountable to the people (or at least it should be this way), such abuses could be prevented.

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If I had my way:

I would put a camera on every single police officer (i.e. like in Aliens, the cameras would be on them). Also, I would put cameras in lots of public places. This would aid law enforcement in a big way, especially if there is facial recognition. It would also help to clean up corruption by making cops more accountable for their actions. The only drawback is the possibility of abuse of the surveillance. But in a democracy, where government is accountable to the people (or at least it should be this way), such abuses could be prevented.

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Tampa has removed it's public cameras after having quite a few problems with them.

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Tampa has removed it's public cameras after having quite a few problems with them.
User error?

I don't think Florida should be a benchmark for anything.

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Video Cameras are great. they can really reduce crime. And what's the deal with abuse of the surveillance? If someone wants to follow you, he can do it easily. He doesn't need any Video camera to do it.

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now putting cameras on the officers is going too far. It isn't practical and may interfere with their movement. That just sends a message that you don't trust them, and they are scum.

But oversight boards are always a good idea like I said above.

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Diss: I don't think so. Cameras in police cars hasn't been a problem. And if we can get smaller cameras integrated into a police uniform, I don't see the problem. If anything, it would aid the police officer in debunking false claims of brutality. Cameras also are good in improving tactics. I was watching one of those police chase shows where an officer was killed by three guys that jumped him. The footage was able to aid in the development of tactics that have saved lives.

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well if they get the cameras small enough to be effective and small and lightweight, then I say they may be worth a try. You're right, the cameras in the cars have been good in so many cases. Often it is used to convict the criminals of attacking the police.

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Yeah, I certainly wouldn't want cops to have to carry huge, lumbering devices.

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Of course it's good thing.

A police department not accountable to the community over which it has jurisdiction will act arbitrarily. Why bother with the pretense of having a democracy when the police aren't accountable to their community?

The Austin City Council (in opposition to public opinon) recently renegged on promises to citizen reform groups guaranteeing citizen oversight over police in the latest contract with the Austin Police Association. Our oversight organization is totally toothless due to the loopholes in the agreement.

For instance, there's an amendment that insures a lengthy arbitration process whenever the city and the APA disagree. And because there's a rule that prevents the disciplining of police officers after 180 days from the incident, the APA can always veto any attempt at checking police abuse. And it does precisely that.

 
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