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Tingkai is offline Tingkai
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Remember the rescue of Private Jessica Lynch. The US government and media portrayed it as a daring rescue. CNN reported "During the raid early Wednesday, members of rescue team fought their way into the hospital, found Lynch and fought their way out."

Well that will make a great Hollywood movie, but doctors at the hospital have a different story to tell, according to a Toronto Star report.

A doctor at the hospital recounted how he told a US officer: `You do realize you could have just knocked on the door and we would have wheeled Jessica down to you, don't you?'

The Iraqi army had apparently pulled out of the area days before the raid. Lynch was left behind in the hospital.

"The night they left, a few of the senior medical staff tried to give Jessica back [to US troops]. We carefully moved her out of intensive care and into an ambulance and began to drive to the Americans, who were just one kilometre away. But when the ambulance got within 300 metres, they began to shoot. There wasn't even a chance to tell them `We have Jessica. Take her.'"

There apparently were no firefights, at least according to the doctors.

"The whole thing lasted about four hours," Raazk said. "When they left, they turned to us and said `Thank you.' That was it."


The US special forces did their jobs professionally, and they were polite too. What I find funny is the spin that Washington and the media put on the rescue and how different it is from what the Iraqi medical staff describe.

Full story:
http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/Co...ol=968793972154

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Uhhh you forgot that there were also scores of Iraqis who would launch attacks from ambulances.

It wasn't so obvious who was who at the time.

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Are we shocked that the people are trying to put the best face on thier treatment of the POWs?

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A doctor at the hospital recounted how he told a US officer: `You do realize you could have just knocked on the door and we would have wheeled Jessica down to you, don't you?'



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What I find funny is the spin that Washington and the media put on the rescue and how different it is from what the Iraqi medical staff describe.


You mean, the Media doesn´t always tell the truth?
I´m shocked








As for the Story:
Dunno.
As DinoDoc mentioned, it is also good for the doctors to let themselves appear in the best light.
Maybe the truth lies somewhere between the reports of the Doctors and the "daring raid" the media made of it.
Maybe the doctors made up that they tried to get Jessica to the Americans, but their account on no enemy presence in the vicinity of the hosptal during the time of the rescue on the other hand is true.
Of course there exists one person who could confirm the story about the story with the ambulance: Jessica Lynch. At least if she wasn´t unconscious during this time (or has been ordered by her superiors not to tell the truth about it, for PR-Reasons [just making up conspiracy theories ])

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Yeah, The Star reports that the medical staff said Lynch will confirm their story:

"Told of the allegation [of abuse] through an interpreter, nurse Shinah wells up with tears. Gathering herself, she responds quietly: "This is a lie. But why ask me? Why don't you ask Jessica what kind of treatment she received?"

But that is easier said than done. At the Pentagon last week, U.S. Army spokesman Lt.-Col. Ryan Yantis said the door to Lynch remains closed as she continues her recovery at Washington's Walter Reed Army Medical Centre.

"Until such time as she wants to talk — and that's going to be no time soon, and it may be never at all — the press is simply going to have to wait."

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quote:
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Are we shocked that the people are trying to put the best face on thier treatment of the POWs?


Are we shocked that some Americans find it difficult to believe that ordinary Iraqi doctors would provide proper care for a POW?

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Are we shocked that some Americans find it difficult to believe that ordinary Iraqi doctors would provide proper care for a POW?
Based on a story from people with an obvious ax to grind? I remain neutral.

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Maybe the media didn't know the whole truth at first.

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quote:
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Maybe the media didn't know the whole truth at first.


They were just told the story by the Generals at a Press Conference in Katar. I assume.

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quote:
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Maybe the media didn't know the whole truth at first.


Yeah, that's true. It'll be interesting to see which media tell the doctors' side of what happened. Do you think CNN or Fox will report it?

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quote:
Originally posted by DinoDoc
Based on a story from people with an obvious ax to grind? I remain neutral.


Ah yes, the neutral position is to claim one side has "an obvious ax to grind." Since you claim that you're neutral, does that mean you believe the US government also had an axe to grind?

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The question is who doesn't have an axe to grind?

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The more we find out about this war, the shabbier it gets. Except on FoX of course.

No different from any other war.

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You know they are making a movie of this with Sarah Michelle Gellar (Buffy) in the starring role.

The Yanks eh?

-Jam

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please tell me the movie thing is a joke...

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please tell me the movie thing is a joke...
Come on Sava. The movie probably isn't being made as we speak like War of Art said but the facts as they stand now would make for an excellent movie. Lynch's amnesia just make it even easier for them to ignore the claims of the doctors.

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I just hate jingoistic revisionist movies.

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What are they revising?

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What are they revising?
Well, from what I know about the situation, they'll make it seem like some heroic escape. I doubt the movie would be as boring as the real story.

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You seem to ignore the fact that the rescuers were going into an unknown situation.

Once more, ACS has perfect 20/20 hindsight.

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There is one thing I don't understand about this story. If we accept for a moment that the doctors are telling the truth, why didn't they just send someone to the American camp and tell them about Lynch? That's how they found out about Lynch's location from a person claiming to be outraged by her treatment.

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You aren't making sense Slowwhand. The troops in Grenada were going into an unknown situation, yet I don't see any movies about the sacrifice and struggle the US forces faced in Grenada. And hindsight is completely relevant here. Don't people use hindsight when making historically based movies?

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Grenada.

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Do you see where your train of thought hit a penny and flew off the tracks?

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Not really.

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I'll try to keep it simple:

PVT Lynch's rescue... not a heroic, action-filled, rescue.

Saving Private Lynch: A heroic, action filled rescue movie.

Do you see the problem here?

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Not really.

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BTW, I wann't joking about the movie - I just read it in a magazine (in german)

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Nun soll ausgerechnet die hübsche Ex-Vampirjägerin SMG die Ex-Kriegsgefangene Jessica Lynch (19) spielen. Die US-amerikanische Soldatin wurde in einer spektakulären Aktion aus einem irakischen Krankenhaus befreit. Jetzt wird das Ganze verfilmt.


Its from the cinema section of my TV mag.

Or do I have to scan it and post it?

-Jam

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Or do I have to scan it and post it?
Just translate it and post the name of the magazine if you don't mind.

 
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