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Bereta_Eder is offline Bereta_Eder
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BRUSSELS/GENEVA (Reuters) - The European Commission (news - web sites) gave the United States an autumn deadline on Wednesday to change disputed tax break laws for major corporations or face the threat of up to $4.0 billion in sanctions.



The long-running row over an export scheme for U.S. majors such as Boeing and Microsoft is one of a series of EU-U.S. trade spats. It re-emerges days after the two pledged to work together to boost stalled global trade talks.


"The Commission will review the situation in the autumn," said European Trade Commissioner Pascal Lamy after the Geneva-based World Trade Organisation (WTO) gave the EU the final green light to impose the sanctions.


"If there is no sign that compliance is on the way at that time, it (the Commission) would then start the legislative procedure for the adoption of countermeasures by January 1, 2004," he added in a statement.


The United States has been discussing ways it can comply with the WTO rulings against the system of tax breaks, known as the Foreign Sales Corporation, and two bills have been introduced in Congress in recent months.


Lamy said the EU was encouraged by the determination of Congress and the U.S. administration to change the law and hoped that any solution would be fully in line with WTO rules. But he has also said in the past that EU patience is not infinite.


The row over FSC goes back to 1998 and the level of the punitive duties was set according to the annual loss in earnings claimed by EU companies. The sum of $4.04 billion set by the WTO was a record for retaliation allowed by the trade body.


The ruling means the EU can set duties up to 100 percent on hundreds of U.S. imports, including live animals, aluminum and copper goods, cereals like buckwheat and nuclear reactor parts.


TRADE TALKS CLOUD


The tax dispute is one of a number of spats involving the world's two biggest economic blocs and both Brussels and Washington are anxious not to stoke tensions, particularly as key WTO talks to free up global commerce have run into trouble.


Lamy and his U.S. counterpart Robert Zoellick pledged last week to try to give the global trade talks, the Doha Round, a push by focusing on where they agree rather than disputes.


Apart from the risk that sanctions could trigger a trade war at a time when the world economy is already struggling, many economists argue that their use could be counter-productive.


The economies of Europe and the United States are so closely intertwined that Europe would also suffer, they argue.


The two economic powerhouses are also at odds over other issues including U.S. duties on steel and a European block on genetically modified foods.





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Good. Mabye the US will stop stifling Capitalism with it's subsidies.

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Got spare money?

Gosh, Lamy is even uglier than before

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Compared with EU Subsidies, they are low :P

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yep they are

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If we give tax breaks to exporters, it is money going from US taxpayers into EU consumer's hands. You shouldn't mind it. (Except for thinking we are dodos to do this. But its still a wealth transfer from US to EU.)

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I am not sure the fragile EU economy likes it when US products are made artificially competitive, am I wrong ?

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I don't want to see any taxpayer money going to business. It goes against everything capitalism stands for. There are a hypocritical bunch of self-proclaimed capitalists that will say otherwise, but it's government involvement in business. No if's, and's, or but's about it. Government shouldn't dictate how business, and vice versa.

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IMO, subsidies should only be given in cases of the development of technologies that are in the interests of Americans. Anything else simply is in the interests of corporate profits. They should make their money on their own. Taxpayer money should help all Americans, not just the businessmen.

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I am not sure the fragile EU economy likes it when US products are made artificially competitive, am I wrong ?


It is a wealth transfer from us to you.

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I don't want to see any taxpayer money going to business. It goes against everything capitalism stands for. There are a hypocritical bunch of self-proclaimed capitalists that will say otherwise, but it's government involvement in business. No if's, and's, or but's about it. Government shouldn't dictate how business, and vice versa.

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"No subsidies for you"
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IMO, subsidies should only be given in cases of the development of technologies that are in the interests of Americans. Anything else simply is in the interests of corporate profits. They should make their money on their own. Taxpayer money should help all Americans, not just the businessmen.


I agree. Get rid of the subsidies. Let's start with the *****ing farmers. I'm sick of hearing about how salt of the earth they are. EVerybody else is salt of the earth and doesn't need a handout check.

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moiney given to european consumers?

i'd rather let the european companies take the money of european consumers so all benefit


or american ones, but only if they compete fair

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moiney given to european consumers?

i'd rather let the european companies take the money of european consumers so all benefit


or american ones, but only if they compete fair


Go deal with that businessman who threatened you into changing your story on him.

It is a wealth transfer.

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a change that was never made and of course he never dared to do anything

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I bet you folded like a roadmap.

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This truly is the start of Armageddon... GP and I are agreeing on things in multiple threads.

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I have no idea what you are talking about

Oh and Sava : I see you are changing. I can't wait to see you explaining us why Bush is the best of the best next election

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plus that was an anonymous conceiled threat call. the story was not against an indivindual but "against" a company and its wanting to say the least performances

that guy actually wanted me to keep off what the CEO himself of that company said. then when i provided sources he said I had done an errour in reporting when i cited word for word the passage he just said he'd sue me

of course that never happened and the company got another nice full blown exposure on the weekend paper who gets 3 times more readers by yours truely. next question?

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Oh and Sava : I see you are changing. I can't wait to see you explaining us why Bush is the best of the best next election
Not at all. I'm the same Sava. Bush? Why would I like Bush? He's giving out record amounts of corporate welfare, pork, subsidies, and such. He even placed tariffs on foreign steel. At this point, and as an American, I want to improve things in America. I'll worry about the rest of the world after we've fixed our own problems.

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I mean hell I have even received complains from the coca cola company for just reporting what the european commission had announced about it

at least they had the wisdom to just let me know they were there and reading and not try to intimidate me. plus during our conversation I got a (minor) exclusive

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If we give tax breaks to exporters, it is money going from US taxpayers into EU consumer's hands. You shouldn't mind it. (Except for thinking we are dodos to do this. But its still a wealth transfer from US to EU.)


Strangely, the US speaks from both sides of its mouth with its "Super 302" that allows it to slap punitive tariffs against the so called "dumpings" by foreign countries.

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next question?



I don't have the heart to troll our little chain-smoker anymore.

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I mean hell I have even received complains from the coca cola company for just reporting what the european commission had announced about it

at least they had the wisdom to just let me know they were there and reading and not try to intimidate me. plus during our conversation I got a (minor) exclusive


[troll-mode on]

bribes work better than threats?

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good, means you're overcoming old age bitterness.

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Strangely, the US speaks from both sides of its mouth with its "Super 302" that allows it to slap punitive tariffs against the so called "dumpings" by foreign countries.


I am not the US. And I'm against those sillinesses.

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bribes work better than threats?


ah there's the GP I know and love

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And the US has not used my arguments to justify their subsidies.

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Get the French to drop thier subsidies to thier farmers and we'll drop our tax breaks to exporters.

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What paiktus22 and others are saying here is that they want to pay taxes to the US govt when they buy US goods and services. What they might want to do is fix their own tax policies so that they don't have to pay taxes when they make purchases for domestically produced goods.

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DD :
The Poles will have subsidies then. I'm almost sure they'll put all their haggling resources for this. Besides, these subsidies are needed by the EU if it wants to be popular in Poland.

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Besides, these subsidies are needed by the EU if it wants to be popular in Poland.
Then stop whining about the protectionist measures of other people.

 
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